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"So Jaybee has yet to come up with a list of three"
because you never said what the criteria is... I will do it for you since you cant grasp this.

Rivers is definitely better than Palmer.

But if you add up career stats, just by the pure brute force of having played for so long, I would take Palmer+Leinart+Sanchez over Rivers + one year of RW + 0 years of Glennon. The yardage difference alone would put their stats higher by probably 10,000-15,000 more yards passing

If you mean which three will put together the best stats for next year alone, I would take the State three.

[Edited on July 18, 2013 at 3:18 PM. Reason : d]

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7/18/2013 3:16:31 PM

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Ah...so now we're doing cumulative stats.

How many negative yards do you get for the butt fumble???

7/18/2013 3:17:52 PM

Jaybee1200
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actually asked if we were doing cumulative stats numerous times on the last page and no one answered

7/18/2013 3:19:04 PM

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Sorry guys, if we're adding Glennon, we've got to add Barkley too. I say we wait till this season ends to get a better idea. My .02

7/18/2013 3:19:36 PM

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there's that too, although I dont think either will play much

7/18/2013 3:20:01 PM

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I keep saying come up with three, because there is only one school for you to come up with. There is only one set of people. That is part of my point, there is only one other school out there that has three quarterbacks in the NFL. And did you read my post I said two different way to look at it. It can be looked at a number of different of ways. That is why I wanted the set of people first and then we can go from there.

^^Yes clearly if the argument was best 4 in the NFL, USC is the only team. But taking the best three available, I have State if we are looking who I want on my team today.

And Jaybee, that top post on the page is what I was looking for. Come up with three and do the different comparisons. It is in now way a black and white answer, so discuss how it is.


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7/18/2013 3:20:20 PM

Jaybee1200
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no... he said three in the last decade, not three currently playing. Brady, Henne, Robinson, and Henson (and no, not saying they are better, just naming three+)

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7/18/2013 3:22:52 PM

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You're right. I was just looking at playing today and not actually looking at the original quote.

7/18/2013 3:25:51 PM

Jaybee1200
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you are alright Michael Martin Murphy, we started out a bit rocky but I respect a man that can admit when hes wrong. Much like I admitted I was wrong when i said RW wouldnt have the best rookie season ever by a Wisconsin QB

[Edited on July 18, 2013 at 3:28 PM. Reason : d]

7/18/2013 3:27:47 PM

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Tennessee has 3 QBs in the NFL.

7/18/2013 3:28:43 PM

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^^ Two things, first I think I am one of few people who would get that name reference without having to google. And two, I can admit I was wrong because we would be arguing about two completely different things if I didn't. And is kinda worthless arguing about different things. We may both be right about what we are arguing about, but still won't see eye to eye.

7/18/2013 3:31:31 PM

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oh they wont like to see that, nope, not at all... prepare to be ran out of town. They hate things like constructive, logical discussion that actually gets somewhere.

7/18/2013 3:33:04 PM

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"UNOBJECTIVE

FUCKES"

7/18/2013 3:35:12 PM

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Lets play the NC State vs. Tennessee game

Peyton >>> Rivers
Foster >>>>> Brown
Wilson > Berry
Tulloch > Mayo
Mario > any of your pass rushers
Witten >>> Cotchery

Hauschka >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Colquitt brothers

7/18/2013 3:39:57 PM

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Tulloch over Mayo? no way

and dont forget Meachem or Denarius Moore

and Scott Wells is a pro bowler at Center

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7/18/2013 3:51:18 PM

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Meacham and Moore are average like Cotchery, I was just objectively giving Witten his props

I'd say Tulloch is a little better than Mayo though...I mean Mayo has more tackles, but duh, he's an inside linebacker and Tulloch is an OLB

7/18/2013 3:58:28 PM

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Mayo was ROY, two time pro bowler and All-pro... as far as I remember Tulloch hasnt been either.

7/18/2013 4:03:38 PM

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Tulloch is 'going against' Ware, Matthews, etc

aside from Ray Lewis, who are the great AFC inside linebackers Mayo is going up against for voting?

7/18/2013 4:08:29 PM

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maybe there isnt as much competition because he is that much better than most the competition?

You make this sound like you did some Jaworski like film comparison of the two.

7/18/2013 4:12:55 PM

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maybe the AFC is weaker than the NFC when it comes to inside backers? you make it sound like Mayo is Patrick Willis, but just happens to be in the AFC

hell, Luke Kuechly led the entire NFL in tackles last year and didn't even make the Pro Bowl, thats how stacked the NFC is with linebackers

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7/18/2013 4:14:13 PM

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of course he isnt... but you cant discount more than 1/2 of the NFL. There are 32+ starting NFL ILBs. To be one of the top 4 selected....

7/18/2013 4:18:43 PM

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lol

San Fran has 2 ILBs better than Mayo...that wraps up the NFC balloting right there

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7/18/2013 4:21:20 PM

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"as far as I remember Tulloch hasnt been either."


Wrong

[Edited on July 18, 2013 at 4:38 PM. Reason : 2011 All-Pro LB]

7/18/2013 4:36:39 PM

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^ so which was he, a two time pro bowler or all-pro?

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7/18/2013 4:37:07 PM

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Last 5 seasons:

Tulloch 430 tackles 7.5 sacks 2 forced fumbles 10 recoveries 3 INT

Mayo 428 tackles 7.5 sacks 8 forced fumbles 5 recoveries 3 INT

Almost identical numbers but Mayo is clearly better objectively.

7/18/2013 4:43:25 PM

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no, you didnt say anything about numbers, you said my statement about all-pro and pro bowl was wrong... so was it?


ibtprobowldontmeanshit


not seeing him on the 2011 All-Pro team...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_All-Pro_Team

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7/18/2013 4:49:02 PM

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"Tulloch over Mayo? no way"

7/18/2013 4:49:50 PM

Jaybee1200
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and list of Top 50 defensive players in the NFL, Mayo is 27, Tulloch isnt

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1242396-ranking-the-50-best-defensive-players-in-the-nfl-in-2012/page/25



blah blah bleacher report sucks blah blah

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7/18/2013 4:54:25 PM

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7/18/2013 5:01:13 PM

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http://www.nfl.com/top100/2013#video=0ap2000000215204

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NFL:_The_Top_100_Players_of_2013

Tulloch listed at #10 LB and #63 overall by NFL.com not fucking Bleacher Report.

Mayo not on the list. Again you are the objective one so we should bow down.

7/18/2013 5:02:33 PM

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we aint talking 2013 projections son... we talking seasons already gone by... so how was I wrong about two time pro bowl and all-pro?

7/18/2013 5:06:40 PM

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http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TullSt20.htm

2nd team All Pro 2011

7/18/2013 5:08:12 PM

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HOW WILL RUSSELL WILSON WIN THE MVP IF STEPHEN TULLOCH ISN'T BETTER THAN JEROD MAYO?

7/18/2013 5:15:47 PM

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Good night Jibbles will bitch about anything. Derails the shit out of every NC State football thread...

7/18/2013 5:57:08 PM

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"we aint talking 2013 projections son"

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"Also, Tennessee is the only school with two alumni in the Top 10 of the 100 Best NFL players, Peyton and Arian Foster."


according to you yourself, those "2013 projections" are the same as "the 100 Best NFL players"

7/18/2013 5:58:09 PM

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^^^^
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"11 2nd Team All-NFL Pro Football Focus"


^^ I like how me responding to a question someone else posted is me derailing it.

^ unrelated discussion. We werent talking about who were the best players for a particular year in your second quote.



but fine, you all are right, Mayo is the worst player ever, god awful, I dont know how Belichick keeps him around and I dont know how he was made captain, he sucks and Tulloch is the greatest defensive player of all time, fuck all-pro and the pro bowl.

[Edited on July 18, 2013 at 6:29 PM. Reason : d]

7/18/2013 6:27:30 PM

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imagine if Tulloch played for an AFC team

7/18/2013 6:28:46 PM

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offseason sports talk threads are my favorite.

7/18/2013 6:51:26 PM

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Russell Wilson got a shout out tonight at the end of Sportscenter.





...cool story bro

7/19/2013 12:05:51 AM

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the woman got me this today!

[Edited on July 19, 2013 at 12:08 AM. Reason : yay]

7/19/2013 12:07:48 AM

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Why do you let that fat fuck troll you so hard

7/19/2013 12:10:37 AM

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looking good Slim

7/19/2013 12:31:41 AM

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7/19/2013 9:37:59 AM

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http://mmqb.si.com/2013/07/22/back-in-flight/

7/22/2013 11:32:18 AM

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i don't see what that has to do with jerod mayo or stephen tulloch.

7/22/2013 11:35:47 AM

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Russell is the #2 most valuable player in the NFL

Just like he was the #2 most valuable player on the NC State QB depth chart two years ago

7/24/2013 12:25:31 PM

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I'll be watching him in person. CANNOT WAIT!!!

8/7/2013 8:49:00 PM

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5/6 93 yds 1 TD in the 1st qtr.

8/17/2013 11:07:45 PM

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The Seattle defense/ST needs to quit scoring...let Russell get out their for a few more snaps so I can go to bed

[Edited on August 17, 2013 at 11:12 PM. Reason : .]

8/17/2013 11:11:57 PM

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haha i know right! 43 mins before being back on the field!

27-7 HAWKS!!!

[Edited on August 17, 2013 at 11:24 PM. Reason : ta]

8/17/2013 11:23:55 PM

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