Tree nailed it. This team is going to be better top to bottom, but definitely not 15-1 again.

The whole key is to be in the running for the #1 seed, whatever that number happens to be. I never fully understood how massive of an advantage that is until last year just having to win 2 games at home.

[Edited on May 18, 2016 at 8:07 AM. Reason : KP]

5/18/2016 8:05:45 AM

I don't know that we'll be better "top to bottom", I don't know how you could look at our depth chart in the secondary right now and think it'll be even remotely close to the level it was at last year.

I think we'll see improvements on O and along the DL, but I expect our secondary to be our Achilles hill barring some veteran signings.

Our secondary is going from:
Norman, Tillman, Bene, Harper, Coleman
To:
Bene, McClain, Bradberry/Worley, Boston, Coleman

That's a significant drop off in experience and ability.

Still hoping we sign a couple of veterans to short deals to help bring the new guys along. I know Cromartie wants to come here, but I'd much rather have Leon Hall.

5/18/2016 8:58:42 AM

ehhh agree to disagree there

This is an improved roster across all positions, and outside of Norman, I don't think the drop-off in ability is nearly as much as is assumed.

We were winning games with McClain, Finnegan, Peanut on part of an ACL, Harper who lost at least a step, and Norman last season. Just because these kids are rookies doesn't mean they won't immediately be an solid player and contributor.

5/18/2016 11:44:25 AM

I'm not saying we're going from an A to a D here, I'm just saying I expect a drop-off in production at CB, esp. early on.

Bene has never really had to be our #1 guy, no telling if he is up for the job.
McClain filled in admirably, but it's a drop from Tillman/Bene to McClain as your #2 CB.
I like the POTENTIAL of the rookies, I'm just not sure 1 of them is ready to be an impact player right away.

Harper was old, slower, no doubt about it, but he was a veteran and he made smart decisions. I've seen enough of Boston to play that I'm not confident in him being our starting safety opposite Coleman. Athletically superior to Harper(no doubt), but he needs to work on making better decisions(those awful penalties in the playoffs last year) and playing within the system.

I just don't know how you can look at Day 1 last year vs. Day 1 this year with the secondaries and think this team is on the same footing or better than that team. I mean we wanted Bene to play in the slot last year and now he's going to be our #1 CB? Covering guys like Julio and Mike Evans?

5/18/2016 12:21:04 PM

How is our roster improved at the following positions??

Rb, TE, T, C, DE, CB, S?

I could throw LB, QB, P, K, in the mix too but I'd like to hear those first...

The only positions i would say we upgraded are wr for certain and in all likelihood dt. Although I think the improvement is somewhat slight since we got great production last year

5/18/2016 2:43:19 PM

How miserable is it getting no joy even when you're team is experiencing the best period of its existence?

Outside of the secondary we have little to no question marks on this roster. If people listened you they would think the sky is falling.

Think back to 8 short months ago when everyone was panicking about us not having any WR's after Benjamin went down. How did that work out? We didn't add a single wideout since that time, but you didn't list that as a position of need. Is there not a lesson to be learned from that?

5/18/2016 3:04:26 PM

I still think our CB stats were inflated by a strong front seven.

6th best defense in yards allowed per game. 11th best against the pass, 4th best against the rush. Maybe the 2016 secondary will be weaker by personnel comparison, but I don't think it necessarily puts the team in a bad spot.

5/18/2016 3:25:25 PM

^^ huh? We get benjamin back this year. And wr was our weakest position last year. It cost us the super bowl

And wr is not likely to be a strength this year. Funchess sucked last year, we lost cotchery, benjamin wasn't that effective his rookie year (low catch rate we just threw to him constantly and he had quite a few garbage time stats). Ginn had a statistical abberation. Brown scares no one....

Wr isn't a position of need because cam is an elite qb. He singlehandedly made us a top 10 offense last year. Let's hope he can keep it up, because our defense is likely to take quite the step back.

Our advantage last year was that you couldnt throw or run on us last year. This year you still can't run but you certainly can pass. I see most teams abandoning the run and just throwing all game against us. What the hell are we gonna need all those dt for lol

[Edited on May 18, 2016 at 3:38 PM. Reason : A]

[Edited on May 18, 2016 at 3:39 PM. Reason : A]

5/18/2016 3:32:53 PM

WR cost us the Super Bowl, eh?

5/18/2016 5:18:24 PM

Quote :

"How miserable is it getting no joy even when you're team is experiencing the best period of its existence? "

I think face needs some sleep, and joy should follow.

[Edited on May 18, 2016 at 5:58 PM. Reason : ]

5/18/2016 5:57:43 PM

Again, people are really overvaluing Josh Norman. Our defense wasn't even that good last year, certainly not as good as 2013 and not close to Seattle's or Denver's. What we did have was the benefit of an explosive offense that put teams in holes, forced them to abandon the run and become one dimensional against our aggressive front seven. We've won 3 straight division 'chips and gone to the Super Bowl while constantly rotating in free agent DBs no else wanted, yet suddenly it's the key to all our success? Note our best defense during this run has been 2013, when our CB rotation consisted of Captain Munnerlyn, Drayton Florence, and Melvin White. If we take a step back this year it'll be because of TD declining, the play of our OTs regressing, or just the usual spate of unfortunate injuries that tends to ruin seasons.

5/18/2016 5:58:05 PM

Discussion is really getting strange now


Defense was #2 last year and carried us in the playoffs. And was outstanding in the super bowl... was arguably better than 2013 though I'll grant that's up for debate. You conveniently neglect to mention greg hardy was on that team... we don't have any de anymore

Let me just explain things really quickly.

Gettleman says he tries his best to assess everyone's true value and offers them a contraCT based on that value. Now I don't see any reason anyone could dispute that since that's really the crux of his job and he's done nothing to make anyone argue otherwise.


He offered norman 1 year $13 million. Or multiple seasons at $11m.

Kuechly makes $12m. So if we cut him in the offseason and replaced him with a 2nd rd lb that would Essentially be the same thing.

So just think of it as we lost kuechly instead of norman... and then the guy we signed to replace him we just cut.


And now we have a guy no one thought was going in the 2nd round that espn didn't even have highlights for replacing him. Who played at a school no one on this message board can even name a single person who went there including their high school classmates

[Edited on May 18, 2016 at 6:46 PM. Reason : A]

5/18/2016 6:42:14 PM

Quote :

"He offered norman 1 year $13 million. Or multiple seasons at $11m. Kuechly makes $12m. So if we cut him in the offseason and replaced him with a 2nd rd lb that would Essentially be the same thing."

are you serious? That's like saying cutting Cam for some $8MM/year QB is the same thing as letting Norman go.

5/18/2016 6:51:38 PM

It's not quite the same thing since qb are instrumental to a teams success and how it's parts fit but it does theoretically make sense.


Basically we offered norman just as much money as kuechly makes. So to say Norman wasn't important to our teams sucess is just ludicrous. He was arguably the top cover corner in the league last year and we don't have a capable replacement. Bene is solid but he's coming off a broken leg. And we have to expect our rookies are more likely to be garbage than the next Richard sherman.

Our safeties are questionable. Charles johnson is a giant question mark and i highly doubt he holds up for 16 games. If it wasn't for the super bowl i doubt anyone would be satisfied with ealy penciled in he was extremely pedestrian last season.


Cam played out of his head last year. What if he regresses back to being a good qb instead of a monster? How are we getting back to the super bowl with this squad?

Ari, gb, and seattle all look better than us right now, agreed?

5/18/2016 7:03:55 PM

Uh, our offer to Norman was inflated because of the current market value attached to elite CBs. The top paid CB in the league made what, $14M a year? I think at the time we negotiated Kuechly's contract, the top paid ILB was under $10M/year average. We ended up paying him way over that, while our offer to Norman was much less than several of the top CBs in the league. Then again, I know you know all this, but hell it's the offseason and even stupid football talk is better than none at all.

5/18/2016 7:15:17 PM

I'm just saying Luke was much more integral to our defense as a whole than Norman was. Linebackers don't get corner money though. I mean there are plenty of receivers in the league who make more than Olsen makes, even though Olsen is more valuable to us than those receivers are to their teams, because of position salaries. And mike linebacker is the glue of Carolina's defense. Norman was very important and gave us the luxury of just letting him do his thing and shifting safeties and coverages to the other side of the field. Not as important as Luke though, despite their salary similarities.

And CJ is 29 years old. Jared Allen did ok for us last year at age 34. And why wouldn't you expect Ealy to continue to get better? Wes Horton and Mario Addison are still good rotational guys, and there are always gonna be people who step up like Ryan Delair.

And why wouldn't you expect guys like Funchess to continue to get better?

Oh shit, all you're doing is trying to see if you should bet on the over or under. Nevermind.

5/18/2016 7:20:33 PM

I don't see how that changes any thing though.

Bottom line is they're gonna be paid about the same thing. In fact the redskins paid him more than we pay kuechly. You could argue they overpaid and i would agree with you.

But the bottom line is Gettleman himself offered norman essentially what we offered kuechly. So this whole "oh he's a product of our system" is bullshit. Why did we offer him that money then?

And if we didn't want to overpay and thought we could adequately replace him with boykin for $860k, that's a valid argument too. But we just cut him.

I think we are in big trouble in our secondary. People keep saying yeah but if we have a great front 7... I don't agree we have a GREAT front 7. I think we have a solid one. Assuming johnson can still play. Which is a huge assumption. But i think our secondary is going to get exposed.

I could be wrong. I hope I am. I just don't think we spent our money where we needed to. I think that dt from Atlanta is a bust.

I think our oline has potential to stink other than turner. Kalil has sneakily dropped way off. Oher was passable as was remmers.

I didn't see anything out of funchess. I think Ginn is unlikely to replicate his season. I have high hopes for Benjamin but he's not quite the savior everyone thinks he is. I think Stewart is pretty likely done. And i don't like our other rbs.

I like cam, olsen, turner, star, short, kuechly a hell of a lot. I really dislike a lot of the rest of our roster and i can see why the not so rosy projections are being thrown at us despite our weak division

5/18/2016 7:27:29 PM

Quote :

"But the bottom line is Gettleman himself offered norman essentially what we offered kuechly. So this whole "oh he's a product of our system" is bullshit. Why did we offer him that money then?"

I think you have to ask yourself if Gettleman ever expected him to take $11M/year. Since we know he's not an idiot, I think we can safely assume that he didn't, even Agent Okung wouldn't have taken that lowball. I thought rescinding the franchise tag showed how much DG really valued Norman.

[Edited on May 18, 2016 at 7:36 PM. Reason : .]

5/18/2016 7:35:53 PM

We signed Boykin before the draft. Apparently they think the young guys will be better than Boykin. We're the 3rd team to cut Boykin in the last year by the way, something must be up with him. The Falcons are looking at him though, so I guess they want Arthur Blank coming down their faces.

5/18/2016 8:18:27 PM

Yeah there is definitely something up with him because hes played well both stops.

He had to do something outrageous to get cut when he's scheduled to make 860k in the worst secondary in the nfl... not to mention pitt barely playing him and there's sucked too.

5/18/2016 9:24:20 PM

For some reason, Bovada has the Panthers at (tied for) the highest win total in the NFL. What does face know that they don't??

Quote :

"Panthers 10.5 (over -130) Packers 10.5 (over -165) Patriots 10.5 (over -150) Steelers 10.5 Seahawks 10.5 Cardinals 9.5 (over -160) Bengals 9.5 (over -140) Cowboys 9.5 Colts 9.5 Chiefs 9.5 (over -130) Vikings 9.5 (over -130) Broncos 9 Ravens 8.5 Texans 8.5 (over -135) Raiders 8.5 Bills 8 Jets 8 Giants 8 (over -160) Falcons 7.5 Bears 7.5 Jaguars 7.5 (over -150) Rams 7.5 Buccaneers 7.5 Redskins 7.5 Lions 7.5 (over -130) Dolphins 7 Saints 7 Eagles 7 Chargers 7 49ers 5.5 Titans 5.5 (over -160) Browns 4.5 (over -130)"

5/19/2016 2:37:17 AM

Yeah and notice all the money is coming in on the over and they are moving the juice not the line.


Im not saying we won't go 10-6. I don't think we suck or anything. I think our secondary sucks pretty hard though. Kuechly and Davis (and maybe shaq?) definitely cover up a lot of space out there. Short collapses pockets. No one is gonna be running on us...

So it's not like our defense sucks. But I don't think we can count on 4 quarters of edge rush. Our linebackers aren't good blitzers.

I don't think we can rely on forcing nearly as many turnovers as we did last year. The reason we were the #1 scoring team last year was because we had the best starting field position in the nfl and we were an awesome red zone team because of cam.

If you reduce the turnovers, give us avg field position, and a weak pass rush and secondary late in games we could see quite a dip .


I just like what elway did. They lost the super bowl and he loaded up the defense to build a super team.

I would have liked to see us take advantage of Benjamin coming back and tried to win a super bowl this year. He basically punted a lot of team strength this season for more long term flexibility.

But the long term has tons of questions. Cam has taken more than twice the hits of any qb in the league. We all saw how ineffective he was the year he couldn't run on his ankle. Olsen is on his last legs and he's been our only consistent offensive weapon. Davis has to be on his last legs.

I just thought it was a good idea to go for it this year. And I think the dt signing from Atlanta was just baffling considering our de and secondary.

5/19/2016 12:04:35 PM

Quote :

"Yeah and notice all the money is coming in on the over and they are moving the juice not the line."

They don't move win totals, and futures bets have limits to minimize exposure. I would expect a pro capper like yourself to know this basic information.

[Edited on May 19, 2016 at 12:11 PM. Reason : cmon face ]

5/19/2016 12:09:18 PM

The panthers went 15-1 last year and our division sucks. What were you expecting them to set the line at? Win totals are always set high because Homers always bet overs.

So yeah vegas is daring you to take over 10.5. That means they think 10 or less. FO says 9.


All I'm saying is if we had norman and a defensive end you thought could play we'd be a better team than we are without norman and this no name from atlanta, right?

[Edited on May 19, 2016 at 12:45 PM. Reason : A]

5/19/2016 12:44:35 PM

Maybe if i put it in a language you were more comfortable with.

What do you think the madden rating for josh norman will be? 94? 96?

What do you think the madden ratings will be for bene ? 80?

What do you think the madden ratings for the cbs not named bene will be? 68? 66? 64?


Are you going to have more trouble defending the pass this year in your living room?

5/19/2016 1:03:52 PM

What did Madden have Ted Ginn at last year? How about Short?

[Edited on May 19, 2016 at 3:11 PM. Reason : Kurt Coleman?]

5/19/2016 3:06:05 PM

Josh Norman was an 84. Benwikere was an 81.

Not that that matters at all..

5/19/2016 3:12:29 PM

It doesn't matter at all. But going into last season, did face think Norman or Short or Ginn were gonna have butterstick seasons?

5/19/2016 3:20:34 PM

signed tobais palmer and laron byrd to the 90 man roster.

[Edited on May 20, 2016 at 4:08 PM. Reason : only notable cause palmer is a state guy]

5/20/2016 4:08:00 PM

Ginn didn't have a "butterstick" season. 46% catch rate was amongst the lowest in the league, we just threw to him a lot. He's still a very average receiver whose had no success with anyone but cam. Cams ability to freeze blitzers and hang in the pocket longer than other qbs makes Ginn appear to be a good receiver. You want to talk about a product of a system, that's a great label for Ginn


Uh short was widely considered one of the best young dt in the game prior to last season. I don't think his breakout was a surprise at all... Obviously the magnitude exceeded most people's expectations so I guess that's what you meant.

Norman the talent was always there he just kept getting in the doghouse for whatever reason. I didn't expect him to be a premiere corner back last year, no.

But he was. And he was a big part of team strength. I just think it's funny how the narrative changed around him after we let him go.


And now we have replaced him with nobodies... I guess I was a lot higher on boykin than most of you. He was ranked 29th best cb by pff last year. I thought with him and bene... one of the other guys steps up and we've got a decent secondary. Now I think we've got a really bad one.

5/20/2016 9:51:47 PM

My overall point was that guys stepped up last year and exceeded your and others' expectations. Ginn had a bunch of drops, but like you said, he pretty much sucked for Miami and San Fran and Arizona, but he is a good fit for us. And iirc, before the beginning of last season, Star was considered as easily our best DT. Maybe I should go back and look at stats but Short at least got a lot of national recognition last year. And I remember a lot of Michael Oher bashing, and he had a good season. Coleman was basically signed off the streets, and was one of the better safeties in the league the second half of the season. I guess my point is, it's silly to overreact like crazy in May. Our coaching staff knows a hell of a lot more than you or I do about what players have made big strides and will be much improved from last year. I mean you act like we have no defensive ends just because Johnson is 29 years old and Ealy wasn't consistent. I fully expect Ealy to continue to improve (he's only played 2 seasons in the league.) Same thing with Funchess after 1 year, I expect him to improve. And say what you want about KB's usage or whatever other stats; he's a big body that you have to account for. If he's back healthy, that will make someone like Ginn look even better than last year. Bottom line, in Gettleman we trust because he's done nothing to prove we shouldn't trust him to this point.

5/20/2016 10:40:27 PM

Star was an 87 and short was an 82 in madden last year. Star was an absolute beast his rookie year and had a little bit of a down year in year 2 but was still very effective. Obviously the gap between the two had narrowed a ton.

Last year star was still very good but short was a monster. Now, sacks are sexy so of course short is gonna get more recognition and obviously he benefits a lot more from stars presence than vice versa. But i think short is gonna be like a 94 in madden next year he had the 3rd most hurries of any dt. Although he was extremely far behind Geno Atkins and fletcher cox.

I think the oher bashing was mostly external. Seems like most of us thought he wasn't healthy in Tennessee and maybe he could rehabilitate his career a little here. I mean he wasn't a high graded tackle or anything, but he was a huge position of need for us so getting serviceable play out of him after our disastrous line the year before makes his production a little overstated.

I'm not giving up on funchess, but a lot of rookie receivers have torn it up lately and he was struggle city. Benjamin clearly upgrades our wr corps. Jericho was a big time contributor last year though he is still a good 3rd down receiver. I can't remember what the exact stat was that surprised me the other day but I think it was cam having a terrible 3rd down completion percentage. So that's a concern.

I think we'll have a solid offense again (we were 8th last year) but our weapons are still pretty weak and our line is shaky. Maybe the league has some adjustments to slow down the new Cam. I just hope our defense doesn't suffer an extreme dropoff. I think ealy took advantage of a great matchup in the super bowl and i don't expect a big year out of him. Johnson has clearly lost a step he's just not the same player. And I'd be surprised if we get a full slate out of him.

I was really looking forward to another great year. We should still be a contender but it's starting to look shakier every week this offseason. I thought boykin was our best free agent signing.

I'll be happy to eat crow if these new dt come in and just make our de and cb irrelevant but man this is a passing league and i don't think these nobodies in our secondary are gonna fair well if our pass rush is as bad as I think it is.

And this is all assuming luke and davis stay healthy to take the pressure off them. Either of Those guys go down and look out our defense could flat out implode



[Edited on May 20, 2016 at 11:20 PM. Reason : A]

5/20/2016 11:13:08 PM

Every fucking team in the league could crumble to shit if their star players get hurt.

Look, Funchess was a 2nd round pick. MOST rookie receivers that tear it up are 1st rounders. And the KB draft was WR-heavy. The Funchess draft wasn't WR-heavy. But you said you weren't impressed by Funchess, or something like that. He clearly improved over the course of the season. His drops decreased overall, and when we drafted him, we didn't expect him to have to be a WR1/WR2 like he was forced into.

I just don't get all the doom and gloom. I mean, we were Boykin's 3rd team in 8 months. Philly and Pittsburgh also didn't think he was worth keeping. I liked the signing initially but he must have a bad attitude or something. Jerry don't play that.

But I mean you also said we won a ton of close games last year, when we led the league in margin of victory. Sure we didn't have the toughest schedule, but we still went 2-0 against Seattle, beat the shit out of Arizona, beat a bunch of good QBs like Rodgers and Luck and Eli, and I mean dammit we went 15-1. I don't expect 15-1 this year. But you're acting like double digit wins aren't even likely. I dunno. I'm not one to get flustered in May I suppose. This isn't Hurney running the front office, whether or not your subconscious allows you to realize that.

5/21/2016 12:04:52 AM

I mean, he said the difference between a decent secondary and a really bad one was a 29th rated CB in the league. Come on.

5/21/2016 12:44:20 AM

The nfl is a weakest link game. If bene plays at the level he played at last year and boykin was a top ~30 cb then we really only need 1 rookie to step up or have one of them who succeeds each week given the matchup.

I see teams really spreading us out a lot. No real need for a running back since he doesn't have to chip off the edges bc we don't have de or pass rushing lbs.

As long as they protect up the middle i think you can spread us out and pick on our ugly wr/cb matchups.

Teams start stringing together long drives on us and we are definitely gonna need those extra DTs.

5/21/2016 8:29:29 PM

Barnwell just did an offseason review for every team. I figure since he's an unbiased and fairly respected analyst it'd be ok to reference his review.

He gave us a B- but our most significant positive was resigning charles johnson cheap.

I'm not really willing to give all the credit to Gettleman for johnson signing a below market deal. I'll certainly give him some credit because part of the reason johnson is coming back is because we have a good competitive team which Gettleman is primarily responsible for building.

But still i mean he signed a guy to a deal that absolutely anyone would have offered johnson given the opportunity.


So despite the gods shining down on us on that one we still got a B-.

And he goes on to elaborate that he doesn't think it's realistic not to expect a significant dropoff in our secondary

Oh yeah and he mentions that norman was the best cb in football last year. (In his opinion I'm assuming)

[Edited on May 21, 2016 at 10:04 PM. Reason : A]

5/21/2016 10:03:12 PM

^You don't think it's possible DG convinced him to take the hometown discount?

5/22/2016 12:43:04 PM

Quote :

"But still i mean he signed a guy to a deal that absolutely anyone would have offered johnson given the opportunity. "

Pretty sure the Giants, among other teams, offered him a lot more. Don't understand your point.

iirc, Johnson asked some front office staff of the Giants if he would go elsewhere for more money or something and he said no. Gettleman could've put the bug in that guy's ear. But whoever it was, he started from the bottom and worked his way up the organizational ladder. Johnson realized he wanted to be a Panther for life.

[Edited on May 22, 2016 at 1:28 PM. Reason : .]

5/22/2016 1:27:04 PM

I'm saying I'm willing to give gettleman half the credit for a creating a positive environment and johnson half the credit for actually taking the discount.


Kinda like you don't give presti/cho credit for taking durant #2 , it was a no brainer. So it's not like he displayed executive mastermind by signing cj for $3 million when he supposedly was being offered $6 by the giants

5/22/2016 7:17:04 PM

He should get credit for not thinking he's worth $6m though.. Not that he saved money to buy anything else so it doesn't matter but.. At least he didn't waste money

5/22/2016 7:19:24 PM

Well okay I'll give him that. In fact I already said i don't think he overpaid anyone or locked up any big dumb deals which is honestly probably the most important job of a gm.

We've got cam under an incredibly reasonable long term deal. The kuechly deal is fair value and he's worth it because he saves us money elsewhere imo. The star 5th year option is terrific imo.

The kalil and stewart crazy deals he isnt fully responsible for are coming off the books. We've got room to extend short and we have an insurance policy in butler if we can't get it done.

He'd done an A+ job up to this point. I think Paul Soliai was a mistake. I don't think he's necessarily overpaid (though he might be), I just don't get the need for a backup run stuffing dt. No one really ran on us last year.

I kinda like the idea of butler and short getting after it on 3rd down. If johnson has a throwback healthy ~9-11 sack year in him and Ealy has a breakout year then I'll admit we've got a damn good pass rush. Especially if delaire or Addison contribute. I like delaire potential more than addison.

I just don't believe in johnson at this point. I was always one of his biggest proponents that he was not a huge bust on that contract. Guy was great against the run and consistent sack numbers. But i think his legs are done.


I actually like boston more than most, but i hate McClain i think he should be cut. I think drafting quantity of cb was the right move but I have zero faith in them to be good this year. I was big on Boykin and I think bene is an asset.

I really dislike our rb options this year, but i don't like spending money there so that's a catch 22.

I think we should have taken all the money we saved on norman + soliai and gotten a pass rusher. Or brought norman back and picked up a situational pass rusher.

5/22/2016 7:49:03 PM

Yeah safety will be an interesting position to watch in camp. The guy we're really missing on this roster now is a DB who plays enforcer on the back end. We have a bunch of ballhawks who are good tacklers, but no one who really makes receivers think twice about exposing their bodies for a particularly tough catch. Boston will try to fill that role but he's been very hit or miss, literally, on the field.

5/23/2016 10:21:19 AM

Still hoping we try to bring in some vets on 1 year deals. Maybe a Whitner, Thurmond, or Leon Hall.

I know Cromartie keeps trying to be linked to us, but I'm not convinced he's a guy we need to add to our locker room.

5/23/2016 10:24:17 AM

Also, people forget that Ealy had 5 consecutive games last year with a sack/fumble, the dude can be productive. I think constantly being switched from left to right, starter to backup, situational to every down, etc.. has kinda messed with his development. Those 5 games with sack/fumbles were after CJ got injured and he was starting on left side of the line. If we can get that production from him with CJ on the field, DE will be just fine.

5/23/2016 10:47:03 AM

Quote :

"Still hoping we try to bring in some vets on 1 year deals. Maybe a Whitner, Thurmond, or Leon Hall."

if the panthers strategy was to maximize winning SB in 2016/2017 - then you'd have to think they agree.

But if their strategy is to build the best team for the next 3-5 years that consistently competes for the SB - then it may behoove them to let the rookies get all that game experience this year immediately...
----best case being they dont undermine a 2016/2017 SB run and are primed to lock up our 2ndary for years to come after
----worst case being they suck and we have to end up adding veteran FAs to fill holes later this year, while we consider moving the rooks to practice squad or just cutting them

5/23/2016 12:48:17 PM

5/23/2016 1:33:37 PM

I haven't seen it posted anywhere yet but Shaq was in a car accident. Looks like he's ok, but the car he hit was Anthony Boone who is now in the hospital.

Happened on Potter Road in Weddington at 7:45am...I drove that road a lot in high school, it's a pretty dangerous one.

Quote :

"Thompson was not injured, but he was cited for driving left of center. According to a police official, alcohol was involved, but it wasn't a factor, so Thompson was below the legal limit. On the police report, the responding officer stated that Thompson was not impaired."

[Edited on May 23, 2016 at 2:08 PM. Reason : -]

5/23/2016 2:02:23 PM

HUR's least favorite bird

https://www.facebook.com/tanya.wellseshelman/posts/1324141577601606

5/23/2016 3:23:38 PM

What are the chances that two football players run into each other head on

5/23/2016 7:53:53 PM

Shaq was banging Boones girl; Boones girl found out Boone was in on the way home; Shaq bounced; Boone was earlier than expected; Boone put the pieces together; The QB sacked the LB

5/23/2016 9:29:08 PM