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theDuke866
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Either that, or WAY more bad ass.

1/14/2019 5:02:48 PM

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it weighs what a z4 weighs, roughly in the 3100's

0-60mph: 4.1s

nothing special, at least it doesn't cost $155k

no manual option, boo

first 1500 will be top spec cars, forget what they called it

Kind of a let down considering what it's replacing IMO

1/14/2019 6:42:40 PM

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https://jalopnik.com/the-2020-toyota-supra-is-finally-here-with-335-hp-does-1831719119

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"3,397 pounds"


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"The Launch Edition’s $56,180, is limited to 1,500 cars and has red accents outside and a red leather interior"


that rear view looks terrible The other views don't look much better.


[Edited on January 14, 2019 at 9:02 PM. Reason : ]

1/14/2019 9:01:45 PM

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Yeah, definitely a fail by Toyota
The concept would have been a home run

1/15/2019 12:15:57 AM

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1/15/2019 12:02:26 PM

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I don't mind the looks. I do mind how "low" the power ratings given the cost and the lack of a manual trans... Paying quite a premium for the Supra name.

1/15/2019 12:03:37 PM

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Looks like a racecar

Takes longer to get to 60 than a Mustang GT

1/15/2019 4:13:08 PM

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^^ the looks aren’t bad. They’re just disappointing and kinda subdued from what this car should be with that nameplate and that price point in 2019, which describes the problem with the car overall. Nowhere near enough “holy shit” for a 50-something thou Toyota with a storied nameplate, with the competition that’s out there now.

1/15/2019 7:18:08 PM

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This just looks like we've been tricked again by Mr Scrumples



[Edited on January 15, 2019 at 9:30 PM. Reason : f]

1/15/2019 9:26:31 PM

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I think the styling, for the most part (and especially in this day and age of ridiculously UGLY cars) is pretty good. The hood is too tall (thanks to dumbass pedestrian crash standards) and the door air vents (non-functional) are straight up retarded, but otherwise I like it.

I can't really come to terms with the 3400 lb curb weight though. Pretty heavy for a car with a shorter wheelbase than an 86. And the lack of manual transmission isn't something I could overlook. Toyota is only predicting sales of 10,000-15,000 per year worldwide. They could all be manuals and still sell every single one. Dumb.

[Edited on January 16, 2019 at 12:52 PM. Reason : ]

1/16/2019 12:51:12 PM

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If y'all would rather have a near-new manual previous gen model, then cough up half a mil for this:

https://jalopnik.com/the-1994-toyota-supra-that-sold-for-121-000-on-bring-a-1831800363

Fascinating[ly ridiculous].

1/16/2019 3:49:51 PM

0EPII1
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Just realized... go to page 1 to see my OP, and scroll down to the end of the post (halfway down page; it is a long post) to see the renders (in 4 colors), from 20 months ago...

...99% identical.

Biggest letdown in the history of "debuts".

My peeves with it:

- makes 15 hp more after ~20 years, so that's <1 hp/year
- even the nissan 370Z has 332 hp, plus the NISMO version has 350 hp, and they come out with 335 hp?
- the nsx came back with a vengeance... ok so the supra didn't have to morph into a 573 hp 0-60 mph in 2.7 sec monster, but how about 400 hp???
- why does it cost $20k/67% more than the 370Z?
- couldn't they at least have made a toyota interior? after so many years they couldn't do that?
- NO MANUAL
- sure, a more powerful GRMN version will probably come out, but it will cost crazy money, and it is 2 yrs away
- the least powerful JDM model has 194 hp, less than the Toyota 86--makes no sense!!!

(GRMN = Gazoo Racing [tuned by] "Meister of Nürburgring")


I like:

- looks... nose used to look weird to me, but after seeing nearly identical renders for years, it has grown on me, and the rest of the car looks very muscular, especially those rear fenders
- and the sound of this:

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"Toyota is promising driving enthusiasts “an exhilarating blend of power, agility and precision handling, achieved thanks to the car’s combination of a short wheelbase and wide track, light weight, low centre of gravity and highly rigid body”.

Rather impressively, Toyota CEO Akio Toyoda himself gave the final green light to the car’s handling, after testing it at the Nürburgring. He is one of the rare breed of highly talented Toyota Master Drivers.

“Back in the day, I spent countless hours driving an old Supra at the Nürburgring to become a Master Driver,” said Toyoda-san. “Supra is like an old friend that holds a special place in my heart.

“The new GR Supra was born through testing at the Nürburgring, and I can honestly say that it is a a car that is fun to drive and better than ever.”"



Y'all will love this:

The history of the Toyota Supra in pictures
https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news-list/toyota-supra-history-in-pictures

Rare Japanese sports cars in beautiful detail
https://www.motoringresearch.com/car-news-list/features/petersen-automotive-museum-fine-tuning-japanese-american-customs-collection

1/17/2019 12:10:58 AM

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http://www.thedrive.com/news/25959/why-people-dont-like-the-new-toyota-gr-supra?fbclid=IwAR0uNry1bS6oKPXQ34C8LRneVVtQ9tG7T8yXFV8H-MCoDOSTj_Ffp05nbPA

1/17/2019 1:54:11 PM

GrimReap3r
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Can I strap a 70-80mm turbo to it and make power?

1/17/2019 7:50:49 PM

0EPII1
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The worst part is that the Z4 comes with 382 hp, and for whatever fucking reason, the same engine is tuned to 335 hp in the Supra.

IDIOTS.

1/18/2019 1:04:45 AM

Dr Pepper
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there's a guy on IG swapping an N54 twin turbo into a MKIV

1/18/2019 8:29:20 AM

0EPII1
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LOL

https://www.motorauthority.com/news/1121000_2020-toyota-supras-fake-vents-can-be-made-functional

1/18/2019 11:16:05 AM

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https://www.topgear.com/car-news/toyota-supra-render-inspired-iconic-mk4

1/18/2019 7:38:26 PM

0EPII1
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First 2020 Supra auctions for $2.1m at Barrett-Jackson
MSRP = $55k
HP = 335
~40x MSRP
https://www.motor1.com/news/301709/first-2020-toyota-supra-auction


First 2019 Shelby GT500 auctions for $1.1m at Barrett-Jackson
MSRP = $70k
HP = 700+
~15x MSRP
https://www.motor1.com/news/301704/mustang-shelby-gt500-auction


McLaren Senna (1 of 120 in USA) auctions for $1.46m (281 miles on odo)
MSRP = $900k
HP = 789
~1.5x MSRP
https://www.motor1.com/news/301460/mclaren-senna-us-spec-auction


Strange world

1/20/2019 5:23:42 AM

0EPII1
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Toyota Supra TRD Concept

https://www.motor1.com/news/304630/toyota-supra-performance-line-concept-trd

http://www.trdparts.jp/supra/performanceline.html

2/10/2019 10:37:33 AM

TKE-Teg
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Toyota needs to stick to developing their engineering in house, and start outsourcing their styling. Basically the opposite of this, geez.

2/14/2019 1:06:41 PM

0EPII1
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Mid-engined Supra render created by this known renderer by moving around body panels without using parts/panels from other cars.

https://www.facebook.com/rainprisk/photos/a.690277364396394/2066589280098522




Beach/dune buggy
https://www.facebook.com/rainprisk/photos/a.690277364396394/2034218063335644




Shooting break
https://www.facebook.com/rainprisk/photos/a.690277364396394/2004175923006525





Check out his other creations at https://www.facebook.com/pg/rainprisk/photos

2/28/2019 2:20:18 AM

0EPII1
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Race car drivers drive the Supra on Fuji Speedway

https://www.motor1.com/news/307586/toyota-supra-sampled-fernando-alonso/

3/3/2019 10:07:07 AM

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https://jalopnik.com/dyno-test-reveals-the-2020-toyota-supra-has-a-lot-more-1834928175

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"To recap, the Supra packs a twin-scroll turbo 3.0-liter inline-six BMW engine called the B58B30M1. It’s rated at 335 HP and 365 lb-ft of torque. But given that this sports cars weighs in at 3,397 pounds but can do zero to 60 mph in under four seconds, it certainly feels more powerful than that."


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"C&D’s dyno test, done at Livernois Motorsports and Engineering in Dearborn Heights, Michigan, appears to confirm this. Their Supra came in at 339 HP and 427 lb-ft of torque—at the wheels. "

5/22/2019 1:01:14 PM

smoothcrim
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that's a press car

5/23/2019 8:47:07 AM

TKE-Teg
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Won't surprise me at all to see customer cars put down similar numbers.

5/23/2019 11:02:02 AM

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BMW underating their engines is nothing new

[Edited on May 23, 2019 at 12:20 PM. Reason : ^ yup]

5/23/2019 12:20:00 PM

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toyota doing it is. toyota started with a base map and wrote their own programming which has always factored longevity first. i could see that as part of the joint venture was an advertising agreement about figures where bmw was always marketed higher by some percent

5/23/2019 2:47:06 PM

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sure, but my point was it's probably not a press car, and more likely a result of underating the engine, which is pretty obvious before the review, when you look at the manufacturer provided hp/tq/curb/0-60 numbers.

5/23/2019 3:25:49 PM

smoothcrim
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the ratios for that zf 8spd havent been put out. they have a factor in those 0-60 numbers as well

5/24/2019 8:23:27 AM

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See The Stig Lap Top Gear Track In The New Toyota Supra
https://www.motor1.com/news/359824/toyota-supra-top-gear-track

01:23.0	Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG Black Series
01:23.1 KTM X-Bow (Not Shown on TV)[13] (Driven by first white Stig)
01:23.1 Maserati Gran Turismo MC Stradale
01:23.1 Toyota Supra
01:23.2 Porsche 911 997 GT3
01:23.3 Ferrari F430 Spider F1
01:23.3 Jaguar XKR-S
01:23.7 Lamborghini Murciélago (retested)
01:23.8 Pagani Zonda C12 S 7.3 (partly damp)
01:23.9 Aston Martin DBS (wet)
01:23.9 Koenigsegg CC8S
01:24.0 Ariel Atom 1 220
01:24.0 Mercedes AMG S63


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Top_Gear_test_track_Power_Lap_times

[Edited on July 18, 2019 at 6:59 AM. Reason : ]

[Edited on July 18, 2019 at 6:59 AM. Reason : As fast a 997 GT3! ]

7/18/2019 6:43:40 AM

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Quote :
"yeah, you're in appliance car performance range"

7/18/2019 12:09:46 PM

theDuke866
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haha, the C8 'Vette is gonna absolutely buttfuck the Supra's soul, for similar money.

7/19/2019 8:10:00 PM

0EPII1
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^ Supra doesn't matter, as it will do that to cars costing multiple times of C8's price!

7/19/2019 10:28:15 PM

smoothcrim
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look at that list of cars. none of them are even remotely relevant. a 2 generation back gt3? a 3 generation back ferrari? a god damn maserati?

7/20/2019 5:02:23 PM

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Hey, it's just nice to see it clock in with all a bunch of other appliance cars.

7/21/2019 1:19:15 AM

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^

7/21/2019 4:30:35 PM

0EPII1
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This is a very interesting comparison

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/comparison-test/a28783877/2020-toyota-supra-vs-2019-ford-mustang-shelby-gt350

8/24/2019 11:46:44 AM

theDuke866
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What, to see which one gets murdered the least brutally by the C8 Z51?

8/25/2019 2:38:24 AM

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8/25/2019 10:33:32 AM

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Quote :
"What, to see which one gets murdered the least brutally by the C8 Z51?"


The new Supra has put down near 700hp wheel for less than the cost of a base C8 (turbo, downpipe, meth).

9/15/2019 11:38:18 AM

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Well I guess we did pretty well. Made it a whole 3 pages before some jackass started comparing a stock vehicle against a modified one.

9/16/2019 9:26:21 AM

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9/16/2019 12:34:06 PM

Dr Pepper
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man, my IG is filled with folks working to set 1/4 mile records with these things - a handful are in the 10's now.

9/16/2019 3:50:34 PM

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Quote :
"Well I guess we did pretty well. Made it a whole 3 pages before some jackass started comparing a stock vehicle against a modified one."


Right, cause first, this place is jumping and definitely doesn't need posts...

Second, how many new Supra's do you expect to stay stock? Idiot - go back to polishing your boxster with a diaper


[Edited on September 17, 2019 at 12:13 PM. Reason : .]

9/17/2019 12:01:17 PM

TKE-Teg
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I suppose we did miss douchebags to liven up The Garage.

9/17/2019 2:55:12 PM

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Quote :
"I suppose we did miss douchebags to liven up The Garage."
Sure, just like they missed crybaby losers like you

Such a douchebag move, posting that the new Supra, mildly modified, can put down ~700 to the wheels...the humanity.

https://youtu.be/SmFfPFGo-Tg

[Edited on September 17, 2019 at 3:06 PM. Reason : .]

9/17/2019 3:01:13 PM

Hiro
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I love Akrapovic. Sounds sooo good.

9/18/2019 5:43:53 PM

kiljadn
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Anyone drive one yet?

9/22/2019 9:56:44 AM

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M2 Comp vs Supra 1/4 mile and 1/2 mile race

https://www.motor1.com/news/374488/toyota-supra-bmw-m2-race/

10/4/2019 8:00:48 AM

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