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RattlerRyan
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This thread is long overdue, as is his impeachment. It's fielder's choice really but obstruction of justice will be the end of President Trump.

5/16/2017 7:29:29 PM

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If this motherfucker doesn't get removed from office, I will no longer be a believer in America. It's a fucking embarrassing failure that he ever made it past the first primary debate.

5/16/2017 7:50:28 PM

tulsigabbard
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believer in what about america exactly? That it isn't corrupt? Jokes on you.

5/16/2017 7:53:43 PM

RattlerRyan
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Of course America is corrupt, what government isn't? It's about discretion and disregard for anyone besides himself.

5/16/2017 7:59:07 PM

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That wasn't the question
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"believer in what about America exactly? "

This whole Russia thing seems like fake news to prevent the Turkish stream pipeline. The evidence is more powerful under that theory. What else is Russia's motive besides building the pipeline? Why else do we suddenly want a conflict with Russia? Why did Ukraine and Syria suddenly fall apart? Why is Syria "US interests"?

[Edited on May 16, 2017 at 8:07 PM. Reason : lets wait and see if trump releases the tapes]

5/16/2017 8:06:40 PM

RattlerRyan
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What about your post is relevant to impeachment?

5/16/2017 8:08:56 PM

tulsigabbard
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Well there is no evidence of anything that would merit impeachment, yet this guy will "no longer believe in america" if the president isn't removed. Instead of calling it a temper tantrum (what it sounds like), I'm asking for clarification. The only reasonable explanation is that he already doesn't "believe in America" (whatever that means).

5/16/2017 8:14:18 PM

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lol duke believes in amurrica

5/16/2017 8:59:01 PM

Cherokee
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I dare say duke is referring to the fact that at least in our country we have a system that allows for self correction without war. In that respect, I'm 100% with him. And it has worked before (Nixon). It takes time (by design). I still have hope.

5/16/2017 9:02:54 PM

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all presidents obstruct justice hah. they have to campaign hard on that to even get elected

5/16/2017 9:09:20 PM

tulsigabbard
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Also, Comey is leaving himself a narrow window of escape here
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"Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 684; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §?330016(1)(G), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)"

Might not be a felony though

5/16/2017 9:16:45 PM

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If this thing tonight with Flynn is true impeachment might be on the table. It's pretty textbook obstruction of justice, no?

Anyway, hard to prove I'm sure. He's clearly not mentally competent so 25th amendment is most sensible.

Of course, neither will happen. Trump will probably not last four years but it's because he'll get bored and resign.

[Edited on May 16, 2017 at 9:24 PM. Reason : ^ guys, is this adding anything? It's blatant trolling on a second name.]

5/16/2017 9:23:40 PM

tulsigabbard
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Posting the actual law is now considered trolling.

5/16/2017 9:37:58 PM

UJustWait84
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lock him up!

5/16/2017 9:39:38 PM

NyM410
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Yes, posting a law in this situation and supposing Comey is the one in danger of a felony is trolling.

5/16/2017 9:47:00 PM

tulsigabbard
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Do you realize this alleged conversation happened in February even though it is just now being revealed? Should be obvious that the implication is not to accuse Comey of a felony but to question why he held on to this information after taking notes on it. Either

A. Comey did not think DJT committed obstruction of justice

or

B. Comey was committing misprision of justice

I'm not saying its one way or the other which is exactly why I stated "leaves him with narrow window of escape" . The felony part was in reference to scenario A. The law apparently would not apply if DJT's crime was misdemeanour obstruction of justice.

Are we really to a point where anyone who questions the herd narrative is automatically trolling? You think I'm pro Trump but I am probably the most anti-Trump person on here. I still seek the truth though. The world isn't binary.

[Edited on May 16, 2017 at 10:07 PM. Reason : gotta spell stuff out for people]

Do you not see the problem with someone having knowledge of the president committing a crime to hold over his head and release if he ever gets fired?

[Edited on May 16, 2017 at 10:16 PM. Reason : holds on to information for 3 months and suddenly releases it a few days after being fired]

5/16/2017 10:05:34 PM

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i'm always in favor of impeachment

5/16/2017 10:13:19 PM

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"lol duke believes in amurrica"


what do you believe in?

sidenote: that dude can back his beliefs up more than nearly all of us in that regard

5/16/2017 10:35:44 PM

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the individual

5/16/2017 11:13:38 PM

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Are they getting it?

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""They've just watched... people who went out on a limb...and had the limb sawed off by Donald Trump himself without a flinch," Krauthammer said.

"Who is going to step out now in these denials that can very well be true when you've seen what happened to Republicans...in two other cases?" Krauthammer asked."

5/16/2017 11:13:59 PM

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"Also, Comey is leaving himself a narrow window of escape here

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"Whoever, having knowledge of the actual commission of a felony cognizable by a court of the United States, conceals and does not as soon as possible make known the same to some judge or other person in civil or military authority under the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
(June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 684; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, §?330016(1)(G), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2147.)"

Might not be a felony though"


So? Comey IS (or WAS, at that time) a "civil or military authority". He didn't need to tell an authority because he WAS the authority.

5/16/2017 11:19:47 PM

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"Do you not see the problem with someone having knowledge of the president committing a crime to hold over his head and release if he ever gets fired?
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welcome to the world of the FBI. J. Edgar Hoover thinks this is amateur hour, seeing as how the evidence is supposedly a note written after the fact by one party that no journalist reporting this story has actually seen.

5/16/2017 11:30:59 PM

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"holds on to information for 3 months and suddenly releases it a few days after being fired"


You mean like someone who was using that information in an investigation but for some reason finds himself unable to continue that investigation?

5/17/2017 12:33:26 AM

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^ did this thread just deja vu?

But yeah, Trump is done... he has to be. If this doesn't end him, then we're screwed as a country.

I'd argue the GOP as we know it is done too, but that's a much harder beast to kill, especially with the DNC being so bad at messaging and policy (basically anything related to politics).


[Edited on May 17, 2017 at 1:08 AM. Reason : ]

5/17/2017 1:07:16 AM

Pupils DiL8t
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"... the evidence is supposedly a note written after the fact by one party..."


So would you suggest that Donald Trump and James Comey should have sat down at the time of their discussion and penned and signed their memo collaboratively?

5/17/2017 2:00:11 AM

moron
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It's also pretty naive to assume that's the ONLY evidence.

5/17/2017 2:05:10 AM

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Trump apparently has tapes, Congress should ask for them

5/17/2017 6:51:28 AM

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I thought there needs to be a house majority to start the impeachment process then 2/3 majority in the Senate to impeach.

Democrats aren't good enough at politics to make that happen in 2018. Hope I'm wrong, but the way McConell/Ryan/Rubio/McCain continue to back up Trump just makes me think Republicans won't flip.

5/17/2017 7:24:13 AM

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It really depends on why Comey didn't immediately act on Trump trying to stop the Flynn investigation. I tend to think it was because he was focused on the bigger picture, that would be Russia influence and collusion. He wanted more time to investigate in that regard.

5/17/2017 8:19:04 AM

NyM410
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Or there is a wide-ranging investigation involving Trump himself as well. Tons of possibilities. But unless you're trolling, you cant possibly intimate Comey was in the wrong.

Here is the thing, I'm not sure Trump even understands what he said could be construed as obstruction -- remember that he is just not that bright when it comes to common sense. Flynn was a big part of the most adulation Trump has ever received in his life. We've known for decades attention and adulation is all he craves. He legitimately probably just thought of it as helping his friend.

If a smart person like Obama did this we would know it was with nefarious intentions. With Trump it's entirely possible he doesn't have the mental capacity to understand what he was doing.

[Edited on May 17, 2017 at 9:35 AM. Reason : Can't]

5/17/2017 9:25:02 AM

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And it was basically that same reasoning for not indicting Hillary, right? No malicious intent or something like that?

So I doubt it will come to impeachment.

And if it does, man what a divisive thing it will be.

5/17/2017 9:34:33 AM

NyM410
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It appears that is the WH talking point and it's starting to circulate through the GOP a bit now.

He didn't know what he was doing seems to be the most reasonable and likely scenario. He is wholly unqualified and way too incompetent to be in this position, but he is where he is and it likely isn't changing.

[Edited on May 17, 2017 at 9:39 AM. Reason : Didn't know and he was just "talking" not being serious]

5/17/2017 9:38:37 AM

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"It really depends on why Comey didn't immediately act on Trump trying to stop the Flynn investigation. I tend to think it was because he was focused on the bigger picture, that would be Russia influence and collusion. He wanted more time to investigate in that regard."


I'd consider it more like this - the request in the meeting initiated his concerns. Subsequent behavior reinforced his concerns. The firing of Comey and then saying it was due to the Russia investigation "consummated" the act and in that respect was the point where someone decided the memo needed to come out.

To me, that's the FBI director & co. giving the President enough of the benefit of the doubt to really try to not go to this point.

I'm also laughing (in a shocked and scared manner) at the fact that Russia is offering to provide a transcript of a meeting our own President ran. Simply amazing. Cold War 2.0.

[Edited on May 17, 2017 at 9:44 AM. Reason : a]

5/17/2017 9:39:12 AM

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"Here is the thing, I'm not sure Trump even understands what he said could be construed as obstruction -- remember that he is just not that bright when it comes to common sense. "


He attacked and accused lynch of doing the same thing-- of course he knew what he was doing was wrong. It's reported he sent sessions and others out of the room.

Trump is an idiot but he's also corrupt. Hes been skirting the law and throwing ethics out the window his entire business career and exploiting people's expectation that he'll act within norms. He thought he could get away with this as president like he'd been getting away with it i before.

What will trump do afterwards now? If he's not completely crushed, he's stirred up a lot of hate that he could use. The Comey thing is only the tip of the ice berg, they need to throw the boom at Trump and everyone surrounding him complicit with lies surrounding Flynn and emoluments.

5/17/2017 10:04:27 AM

Cherokee
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^He got his MBA from La Cosa Nostra

5/17/2017 10:13:14 AM

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In before impeachment

5/17/2017 10:18:51 AM

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"Are we really to a point where anyone who questions the herd narrative is automatically trolling?"


But muh NYT narrative

5/17/2017 10:27:12 AM

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"So? Comey IS (or WAS, at that time) a "civil or military authority". He didn't need to tell an authority because he WAS the authority"


This was the entire point. Earl will do whatever he can to defend "unfair assertions" against Trump to the point of being an idiot.

If you believe the reporting Comey also memorialized them and some are classified.

5/17/2017 10:32:08 AM

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Chaffetz asked the FBI for all memos, notes, summaries, and recordings between comey and the president to determine if the president "attempted to influence or impede the FBI's investigation as it relates to Lt. Gen Flynn"

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/05/16/us/politics/document-Chaffetz-FBI-Letter.html?smid=fb-nytimes&smtyp=cur

[Edited on May 17, 2017 at 10:45 AM. Reason : l]

5/17/2017 10:44:51 AM

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This is such a fascinating situation.

You have the FBI being asked to turn over the memos, which unless Sessions or the Deputy AG say no, will happen. If they say no, it'll blow up in the news.

Some of those memos are classified, which to me is possibly even more intriguing. He likely left the real details out of the unclassified ones and only wrote those so that they could be called publicly, subpoenaed and even requested via FOIA (so as to not lose records to subversion from senior officials like Trump).

The memos will then lead to requests for information from the White House. The White House will either claim they don't exist, claim executive privilege or pull some other insanity out to keep it from happening.

And to top if all off, because of Trump turning his bigger fingers into twitter fingers, there will be constant requests for either proof there are no recordings or the recordings themselves.

Republicans can't talk shit about Comey without contradicting everything they said about him investigating Hillary.

Democrats can't talk shit about Comey without contradicting everything they said about the Russian investigation.

Those two facts alone indicate Comey to be one of the most trustworthy people in D.C. in my opinion, at this point.

[Edited on May 17, 2017 at 2:01 PM. Reason : a]

5/17/2017 1:58:34 PM

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Both sides have criticized him and questioned his judgment.

But I've never seen anyone, anywhere questioning his truthfulness. He's basically beyond reproach in that respect.

5/17/2017 2:08:29 PM

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Assuming events unfold in the spirit of this thread, does anyone see Trump resigning?

5/17/2017 3:10:51 PM

AndyMac
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Stolen from Reddit:

Why won't Congress impeach Trump?

Because Republicans always insist a baby is carried to full term.

5/17/2017 4:11:11 PM

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The thing with Trump is that he's always been able to bail himself out of sticky situations by throwing money at his problems. Clearly, he doesn't understand that being the president is not the same thing as being a rich CEO where he can do his bidding in his own company however he sees fit, and he's learning it in the hardest possible way.

He's too stupid to have ever considered how the media really works at uncovering damaging information, and I don't think he ever stopped to consider how truly unpopular and unlikeable he is, despite "winning" the presidency.

Part of me thinks he will resign because it simply isn't "fun" for him anyone and his ego is too fragile to deal with criticism and negative press.

Another part of me thinks he's stupid enough to believe that magical thinking and pep rallies could make it all go away in the manner than led him to an improbable victory in the EC.

He's fucked either way, but the scary part now is how he's going to lash out and be destructive in retaliation.

[Edited on May 17, 2017 at 5:30 PM. Reason : .]

5/17/2017 5:29:18 PM

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What baffles my mind is the DNC managed to field the only legitimate candidate ... incapable of beating this guy.

that's the real story.

5/17/2017 6:02:35 PM

tulsigabbard
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replace managed with conspired and its on point

5/17/2017 6:22:33 PM

Cherokee
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"Clearly, he doesn't understand that being the president is not the same thing as being a rich CEO where he can do his bidding in his own company however he sees fit, and he's learning it in the hardest possible way."


Just to be clear here, he doesn't understand that being president is not the same thing as being a rich CEO OR being President in Russia. In Russia, he could absolutely throw money at the problem (or bullets and poison).

[Edited on May 17, 2017 at 6:32 PM. Reason : a]

5/17/2017 6:32:18 PM

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"Of course America is corrupt, what government isn't? It's about discretion and disregard for anyone besides himself."


If you care about corruption, wouldn't an unprecedented, non-establishment, self-financed outsider candidate be the cure for it? Especially one that the entire corrupt establishment fights against?

Oh wait, you're brainwashed by the media, because the media is corrupt.

5/17/2017 6:37:34 PM

Cherokee
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^I'll actually respond to this.

Those guys don't exist outside of people like Bill Gates and Warren Buffet. Instead, we're stuck with people who were corrupted and broke the law while already in the system (people like Tom Delay) or people who were corrupted and broke the law before they entered the system (people like Trump).

But your question isn't a bad one in general.

[Edited on May 17, 2017 at 6:40 PM. Reason : a]

5/17/2017 6:39:32 PM

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^^, yes I would love that. Trump is not that person though.

5/17/2017 7:07:28 PM

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