A Tanzarian drip drip boom 10995 Posts user info edit post |
It's a preview of the GOP's 2020 messaging. 1/29/2019 3:03:03 PM |
moron All American 34141 Posts user info edit post |
McConnell is going to allow a vote on green new deal. I think he thinks people who vote for it can have it used against them, but I think the gop is really understanding how much the general public supports bold solutions to climate change. 2/12/2019 9:22:14 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
Good job Turtle.
Supporting this fake national emergency just made it that much easier to claim climate change, gun violence and healthcare are national emergencies in 2021! 2/14/2019 3:20:46 PM |
bubster5041 All American 1164 Posts user info edit post |
This deal all hinges on Ann Coulter's take on twitter later 2/14/2019 3:45:46 PM |
moron All American 34141 Posts user info edit post |
So are we at the point now where a President just declares a national emergency when he doesn't get exactly what he wants? 2/14/2019 3:53:14 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
The best part is when the very serious beltway media takes Rubio and Cruz as good faith actors when they rail about the president in 2021 doing the same thing. Maybe they can even bring in Paul Ryan to criticize the increased deficit at that point. 2/14/2019 4:00:40 PM |
Pupils DiL8t All American 4960 Posts user info edit post |
We need their current comments juxtaposed with their previous comments referring to Barack Obama as a tyrant for his executive order on DACA. 2/14/2019 4:15:26 PM |
aaronburro Sup, B 53062 Posts user info edit post |
^^^ It's almost like folks should have been listening to little-L libertarians screaming at the top of their lungs about the creep of executive power over the last 20 years. 2/14/2019 4:30:43 PM |
HCH All American 3895 Posts user info edit post |
^ A million times this. 2/15/2019 9:22:08 AM |
moron All American 34141 Posts user info edit post |
This isn't creep, this is abuse.
Until we have a constitution that only has a legislative branch and judiciary, it's the duty of the congress to hold the president accountable for abuse.
The constitution isn't self-executing, it's meant to be a will of the people. The core problem is the people don't have the will anymore to strive for functioning government institutions.
It's not that previous presidents didn't know they could abuse many, many laws, they just didn't out of good faith and belief in democracy. The 2 solutions are an extremely stringent and onerous set of laws defining how government operations, or voters and legislators who can grit their teeth and act on principles of democracy. 2/15/2019 1:53:41 PM |
eleusis All American 24527 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "It's not that previous presidents didn't know they could abuse many, many laws, they just didn't out of good faith and belief in democracy." |
We still have active national emergencies for the purpose of sanctioning persons tied to conflicts in Sudan, Yemen, Somalia, and Iran. If you think defending our southern border is an abuse of power, then how do you justify the others?2/15/2019 2:12:51 PM |
rjrumfel All American 23026 Posts user info edit post |
I don't think "defending the southern border" is their problem. They believe the southern border doesn't need defense, and this is nothing more than an ego trip for Trump.
And I tend to agree. 2/15/2019 2:25:33 PM |
Dentaldamn All American 9974 Posts user info edit post |
“Defending an area of the southern border that is a massive desert with a huge pointless wall” 2/15/2019 3:19:13 PM |
moron All American 34141 Posts user info edit post |
^^^ How is wasting billions of dollars on trump’s pet project “defending the southern border”? I didn’t realize there were real people who thinks trump’s plainly stupid idea could actually serve to impact immigration.
In the grand scheme of things the government wasting 8 billions of dollars to essentially do nothing isn’t the worst abuse of power, but it definitely is setting the precedent for presidents to just declare emergencies when they don’t get the funding they want.
Let alone the damage done to wherever he’s taking money from. 2/15/2019 8:36:31 PM |
moron All American 34141 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Trump intends to draw $3.6 billion from military construction funds and $2.5 billion from a military drug interdiction program to help build 234 miles of new barriers along the border." |
https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/trump-looks-to-raid-pentagon-budget-for-wall-money-using-emergency-powers/2019/02/15/cd0fcdb8-3149-11e9-ac6c-14eea99d5e24_story.html
Looll taking money from actual programs to stop drugs to fund a pointless wall
You’re seriously brain damaged if you think this is about “border security”.2/15/2019 10:21:16 PM |
GrumpyGOP yovo yovo bonsoir 18191 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "We still have active national emergencies for the purpose of sanctioning persons tied to conflicts in Sudan, Yemen, Somalia, and Iran. If you think defending our southern border is an abuse of power, then how do you justify the others?" |
So all of the other "national emergencies" are problematic, of course, but what makes this one different is that it is explicitly being done to circumvent Congress. For all of their faults, the various other national emergencies had at least the tacit blessing of the legislature. This time, the House of Representatives has already firmly said, "No," and the emergency is being used to do an end-run around them. That's what makes it an abuse of power.
Of course, to take your question literally, I don't justify the others; it's clear that "national emergencies" have been used with reckless abandon for far too long, and I would love to see Congress establish some sane parameters for what qualifies. You know, if Putin decides the time is ripe and lands "little green men" all over Alaska or something, fine, let the President take the reins. But nothing has ever happened in Zimbabwe that qualifies as a national emergency for the United States.2/15/2019 10:39:31 PM |
aaronburro Sup, B 53062 Posts user info edit post |
Interestingly, if any of the lawsuits actually make it past the standing determination phase, the only way this could get struck down would be for the Supreme Court to declare the statute giving the President this power to be unConstitutional. It's definitely an end-around Congress, but it's one they explicitly gave.
I guess they are now seeing why they never should have given that power up in the first place. 2/15/2019 11:27:00 PM |
moron All American 34141 Posts user info edit post |
I learned that congress is supposed to be voting to reup these national emergencies every 6months and apparently in decades, they haven't done a single vote... wtf... 2/16/2019 12:35:26 AM |
aaronburro Sup, B 53062 Posts user info edit post |
I imagine Congress hasn't voted on them because it's pointless. Originally, Congress could reject an emergency declaration with a simple majority vote. It was challenged in the SC, who determined that Congress' rejection could be vetoed by the President.
With that, you see the problem. If Congress can't muster a 2/3rds vote to reject or end an emergency which the President supports, then there is little point to do so. I imagine that most of the active "emergencies" aren't being acted upon, so ending it is a waste of time. 2/16/2019 2:25:29 PM |
eleusis All American 24527 Posts user info edit post |
I don't understand why Obama left the national emergency declaration against Iran in place after all he did to try to work out a deal with them while in office. That declaration has been in place for almost 40 years now. It makes the rest of the declarations seem almost trivial. 2/17/2019 6:32:09 PM |
Pupils DiL8t All American 4960 Posts user info edit post |
I can only assume that Matt Gaetz was already expecting to go to jail before he tweeted this; otherwise, I'm not sure why he would have thought that this was a good idea.
https://twitter.com/mattgaetz/status/1100503846386835456 2/26/2019 6:34:32 PM |
rhinosponge All American 699 Posts user info edit post |
Probably because he has no sense:
https://www.gq.com/story/matt-gaetz-trumpiest-congressman-in-washington 2/26/2019 9:32:54 PM |
moron All American 34141 Posts user info edit post |
Watching bits of the hearing, it’s always striking to me how dumb these people are.
They didn’t seem to grasp the evidence boxes were returned or the disclosure form asked about contact with gov agencies, or that Cohen was lying to protect trump, and he’s going to jail for lying to protect trump.
It’s fascinating too AOC consistently asks the most insightful questions yet gets painted by the right as being like Sarah Palin. 2/27/2019 8:16:25 PM |
marko Tom Joad 72828 Posts user info edit post |
There's only two narrative modes for women of the left. The unattractive power-harpie or the beautiful idiot. 2/28/2019 8:53:12 AM |
HCH All American 3895 Posts user info edit post |
^I'm sorry you feel that way about women. You might need to consider changing your perspective.
^^AOC has brought her reputation on herself. In fact, if she was a R, she would be lampooned on all the liberal nightly shows every night. 2/28/2019 10:27:41 AM |
marko Tom Joad 72828 Posts user info edit post |
And there it is! 2/28/2019 10:31:31 AM |
Exiled Eyes up here ^^ 5918 Posts user info edit post |
^^ Genuinely impressed how you fell into that trap with complete lack of any self-awareness. Kudos. 2/28/2019 10:33:02 AM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
CPAC has always been a shit show but my God, the entire GOP has turned into a Trump cult. It’s insane. And embarrassing. 2/28/2019 10:53:00 AM |
Pupils DiL8t All American 4960 Posts user info edit post |
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19ZmP5f_-fs
https://s3.amazonaws.com/acu-web/CPAC-2019-Agenda-Website-2.27.pdf
I'm disappointed that I missed Charlie Kirk and Sebastian Gorka. 2/28/2019 11:09:22 AM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
Is it ok to say anyone who trafficked in birtherism was guilty of playing to racist supporters and narratives? I don’t want to make any congressmen cry.
Also, if any female or POC acted the way Meadows and Jordan did yesterday they would have been savaged as too emotional for Congress. 2/28/2019 11:33:00 AM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "^I'm sorry you feel that way about women. You might need to consider changing your perspective.
^^AOC has brought her reputation on herself. In fact, if she was a R, she would be lampooned on all the liberal nightly shows every night." |
:italian chef kiss:2/28/2019 11:41:57 AM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39296 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "Scott Walker, at CPAC, says that people are taking already-born babies home from the hospital and aborting them there. I did not know that was a thing." |
http://twitter.com/alexnazaryan/status/11011192128425984022/28/2019 11:47:44 AM |
Bullet All American 28404 Posts user info edit post |
That's all over social media too, people talking about democrats voted for bills that would allow people to kill babies after they were born. I haven't been following that whole issue, so I wasn't sure what exactly they were referring too, assumed it was some right-wing talking point. 2/28/2019 11:50:23 AM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39296 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The Democrat appearing in CPAC videos and speeches the most, by far: @AOC. More than any 2020 Dem. An Oliver North-narrated NRA video just ended with the footage of her dancing outside her office, with the color drained to make it look more ominous." |
http://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/1101128828808806401
lol2/28/2019 1:09:09 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
she's living that rent-free life 2/28/2019 1:11:23 PM |
Shrike All American 9594 Posts user info edit post |
Sounds about right for the largest incel convention in the world. 2/28/2019 1:17:34 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37669 Posts user info edit post |
Former Maine governor Paul Lepage said the popular vote mandate would wipe out the kill of white people.
He served from 2011-2019 but go ahead and tell me how Trump is new and an outlier in the GOP 3/1/2019 2:45:24 PM |
Bullet All American 28404 Posts user info edit post |
https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/bjqpzw/this-giant-conservative-convention-used-to-hate-trump-now-its-a-maga-rally4 3/1/2019 3:09:58 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
don't worry, as soon as trump is gone CPAC and others will claim he was a democrat 3/1/2019 3:16:58 PM |
A Tanzarian drip drip boom 10995 Posts user info edit post |
West Virginia living true to type. 3/2/2019 7:24:51 PM |
Bullet All American 28404 Posts user info edit post |
I assume you're referring to this?
https://www.npr.org/2019/03/02/699699805/sign-linking-muslim-congresswoman-ilhan-omar-to-9-11-sparks-outrage-in-west-virg 3/4/2019 12:55:53 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
good thing they just compared a muslim to terrorists and didn't do something horrible like criticizing the influence of the pro-israel lobby otherwise people might have gotten really mad 3/4/2019 1:15:40 PM |
A Tanzarian drip drip boom 10995 Posts user info edit post |
^^ yup 3/4/2019 1:18:44 PM |
Pupils DiL8t All American 4960 Posts user info edit post |
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/the-federal-deficit-ballooned-at-start-of-new-fiscal-year-up-77-percent-from-a-year-before/2019/03/05/ff8d31f6-3f75-11e9-9361-301ffb5bd5e6_story.html
Quote : | "The federal budget deficit ballooned rapidly in the first four months of the fiscal year amid falling tax revenue and higher spending, the Treasury Department said Tuesday...
The deficit grew 77 percent in the first four months of fiscal 2019 compared with the same period one year before, Treasury said.
The total deficit for the four-month period was $310 billion, Treasury said, up from $176 billion for the same period one year earlier." |
Quote : | "Tax revenue for October 2018 through January 2019 fell $19 billion, or 2 percent, Treasury said. It noted a major reduction in corporate tax payments over the first four months of the fiscal year, falling close to 25 percent, or $17 billion...
Spending, meanwhile, increased 9 percent over the same period.
The biggest increases were for defense military programs, which saw a 12 percent increase, and Medicare, which saw a 16 percent increase.
The Congressional Budget Office has projected that the deficit this year will reach close to $900 billion, because the government spends so much more money than it brings in through revenue." |
3/6/2019 11:25:39 AM |
GrumpyGOP yovo yovo bonsoir 18191 Posts user info edit post |
Trade deficit blew up too:
Quote : | "America’s trade deficit with the rest of the world rose to its highest level in history last year as the United States imported more goods than ever, including a record amount from China, ballooning the deficit to $891.3 billion" |
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/03/06/us/politics/us-trade-deficit.html3/6/2019 4:31:02 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37669 Posts user info edit post |
Lmao
Quote : | "House Democrats have been under pressure for a week on anti-semitism but House Republicans have bailed them out.
No 3 house r Liz Cheney, Lee zeldin and Louie Gohmert vote no. Jeff Duncan present.
An embarrassing moment for house gop." |
Lol that quote is out of date, 23 gop reps voted no, and Steve King voted present https://twitter.com/pdmcleod/status/1103789392278310913?s=19
[Edited on March 7, 2019 at 6:03 PM. Reason : E]3/7/2019 5:59:19 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
Will Megan McCain cry tears of joy that it passed, or tears of sadness that it passed tomorrow on the view? 3/7/2019 8:22:41 PM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39296 Posts user info edit post |
she’s retweeting Ben Shapiro now
so glad to have her as a #NeverTrump ally 3/7/2019 10:36:33 PM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
Also retweeting open white supremacists. I’m sure she didn’t know that was the case but Omar got media raked for similar.
This whole shitshow is being covered like it’s a good faith debate by the right. Horserace political coverage is flat out garbage. 3/8/2019 7:25:38 AM |
Bullet All American 28404 Posts user info edit post |
https://www.wral.com/house-approves-sweeping-ethics-election-overhaul-package/18243993/
Quote : | "he Democratic-controlled House on Friday approved legislation aimed at reducing the role of big money in politics, ensuring fair elections and strengthening ethics standards. But it stands little chance in the Republican-run Senate, where the GOP leader has pledged it will not come up for a vote, and the White House issued a veto threat.
The House measure would make it easier to register and vote, and would tighten election security and require presidential candidates to disclose their tax returns.
Election Day would become a holiday for federal workers, and a public financing system for congressional campaigns would be set up. The legislation approved 234-193 would bar voter roll purges such as those seen in Georgia, Ohio and elsewhere, and restore voting rights for ex-prisoners. It was a straight party-line vote, with all Democrats voting "yes" and all Republicans voting "no."
Republicans called the bill a Democratic power grab that amounts to a federal takeover of elections. Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., said the proposal was dead on arrival in that chamber.... .. ..." |
3/8/2019 12:40:15 PM |