Grantland article about Wilson (and 3 other QBs)

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9482930/bill-barnwell-breaks-nfl-young-elite-quarterbacks

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"So that leaves Wilson, who picked up a no. 1 wideout over the offseason, Vikings standout Percy Harvin. Even better, Wilson won't be splitting the first-team practice reps with anybody during training camp this year. I'm pretty comfortable picking him as the best quarterback from the Gang of Four in 2013. (Also, sorry for putting that hex on you, Russell Wilson.)"

7/17/2013 12:38:34 PM

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"just said no one will remember him as being one"

I remember him as a State alumnus as do thousands of other State fans. My buds that have nothing to do with NC State, but follow sports know he went to NC State too. Stop trolling so hard on this RW stuff. It is really, really lame.



[Edited on July 17, 2013 at 3:05 PM. Reason : as]

7/17/2013 3:04:35 PM

I just realized I posted this as an [image] instead of a [link] on the last page

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2013/07/russell-wilson-colin-kaepernick-madden-photos/

7/17/2013 3:06:35 PM

^^ dont shoot the messenger rofflelong, of course us State fans will remember, but what good is a couple thousand fans amongst the masses

7/17/2013 3:15:59 PM

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"RT @BFeldmanCBS: Navy SEALs trained many athletes. Told Butch Jones most impressive athlete/leader they've ever worked w is @DangeRussWilson"

7/17/2013 3:53:18 PM

DangeRuss sounds like Dangerous

7/17/2013 4:12:43 PM

^^^ How many average fans truly know the college of any athlete JayBBBBBBBBBB120000000?

I can ask my wife where Tom Brady went and she probably doesn't know, but she knows he's a QB in the NFL and knows that he plays for the Pats and that he is good and bangs models. I mean what the hell are you hoping to accomplish by constantly harping on the fact that Wilson also went to Wisconsin??



[Edited on July 17, 2013 at 4:44 PM. Reason : sd]

7/17/2013 4:43:12 PM

I think most NFL fans know where Tom Brady went to college.

on a related note, that is a weird skill of mine, crazy ability to remember where players went to college, even obscure players


and my name is pronounced the way it is spelled, you dont have to do that. But no one thinks of you as RF LONG, its RoffleLong.

7/17/2013 4:47:07 PM

everybody knows Brady went to Alabama

7/17/2013 4:49:09 PM

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"I think most NFL fans know where Tom Brady went to college."

I'd actually argue against that. Unless they are hardcore NFL AND College fans....most NFL fans don't know where college players came from if they weren't a hot commodity coming into the draft...which Tom Brady wasn't. Shit, I know a ton of hardcore Giants fans that don't know Eli went to Ole Miss.

7/17/2013 4:56:09 PM

The majority of NFL fans probably couldn't tell you where either of the QBs who played in last year's Super Bowl played college ball

7/17/2013 5:08:47 PM

Kaepernick played for the Wolf Pack

7/17/2013 5:25:14 PM

I disagree. Especially with Brady, everyone has heard the "ohhhh he was a low draft pick out of Michigan story" a thousand times

7/17/2013 6:03:21 PM

Brady is also the most famous player in the NFL

you're underestimating the tens of millions of NFL fans who don't give a shit about college football

7/17/2013 6:05:32 PM

I'm not the one that used Brady as an example

7/17/2013 6:06:55 PM

7/17/2013 6:15:11 PM

Jaybee trolling

7/17/2013 7:23:34 PM

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"The majority of NFL fans probably couldn't tell you where either of the QBs who played in last year's Super Bowl played college ball"

Probably not, but I know Armanti Edwards beat Flacco's ass for the championship.

7/17/2013 8:32:32 PM

7/17/2013 11:17:33 PM

I had no clue that brady went to alabama, and I watch a ton of NFL games during the season, and keep up with my favorite teams and players latest news as well...


Sorta back to topic ... in the past Ten years, is there a list of graduates/early drafters from Any college as strong as the Rivers, Wilson, Glennon trio at the QB position?

7/18/2013 8:44:55 AM

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"I had no clue that brady went to alabama, and I watch a ton of NFL games during the season, and keep up with my favorite teams and players latest news as well..."

"you cannot be serious!" -John McEnroe

7/18/2013 8:58:06 AM

Brady was always my favorite player at USC even when he wasn't getting on the field.

7/18/2013 9:14:55 AM

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"in the past Ten years, is there a list of graduates/early drafters from Any college as strong as the Rivers, Wilson, Glennon trio at the QB position?"

depends on what you mean by "as strong"... I assume you just mean college success since Glennon hasnt played a down in the NFL yet. So just going by college, one could say:

USC with Palmer, Leinart, Sanchez, Barkley
Georgia with Greene, Stafford and Murray
Oklahoma with White, Bradford and Jones
Florida with Grossman, Leak, Tebow

7/18/2013 9:49:17 AM

^ I think he meant NFL.

I'd say the Wilson/Rivers combo is about as strong as it gets. If Glennon is even decent, then NC State wins going away.

7/18/2013 11:38:14 AM

^But RW did not go to State, he went to Wisconsin duh. You can only include Rivers and Glennon in that discussion.

Now let me get back to beating off on my Peyton Manning starting lineup figure.

7/18/2013 11:53:50 AM

yeah, two of those quarterbacks jibbles posted didn't even get drafted.

[Edited on July 18, 2013 at 12:03 PM. Reason : plus he said tebow LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL]

7/18/2013 12:02:55 PM

can you people even read?

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"I assume you just mean college success since Glennon hasnt played a down in the NFL yet"

therefore that means the list does not have anything to do with NFL success (since Glennon hasnt even played a down, once again), and therefore getting drafted or not does not matter and NFL success does not matter

7/18/2013 12:46:09 PM

But he's on a squad (and got drafted in the first three rounds). I'd say that gets you a point.

7/18/2013 1:20:01 PM

Tebow got drafted too... We saw how that turned out. So sticking just to college...

7/18/2013 1:33:02 PM

Tebow is the typical SEC quarterback

[Edited on July 18, 2013 at 1:51 PM. Reason : add another note]

7/18/2013 1:51:25 PM

^^If you want to make your own topic of discussion, then fine.

But the post above is more than likely talking about NFL.

So go have fun with your shitty SEC QBs.

7/18/2013 1:57:46 PM

Ah, so its NFL only, but then you can consider a player that hasn't played in the NFL yet if it helps your argument. Classic Sports Talk grasping at straws to make yourself feel better logic. And if you knew anything and had any interest in an actual adult, logical discussion, you would realize that half the options I mentioned weren't even SEC


[Edited on July 18, 2013 at 2:02 PM. Reason : D]

7/18/2013 2:00:54 PM

NC State = Quarterback U

SEC = Conf of thugs

[Edited on July 18, 2013 at 2:08 PM. Reason : ...]

7/18/2013 2:08:01 PM

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"I'd say the Wilson/Rivers combo is about as strong as it gets. If Glennon is even decent, then NC State wins going away."

^^What is your reaction to this quote that you ignored? It clearly says that the two that have played in the NFL are strong enough to get the win, so IF Glennon is decent, State will easily win. So that is a logical argument that says that the ones that played in the NFL are enough and the one who hasn't, if he is decent. You understand that quote yet? You want a little more break down of it. I could say it at least 2, maybe 3 more different ways.

7/18/2013 2:12:58 PM

you've forgotten that Rivers has gone to shit, too

7/18/2013 2:15:13 PM

^If by gone to shit, you mean his O-Line is horrible and he tries to force plays because he is trying to do what he can to win without a line. Then yes. He makes tons of turnovers, and he's the QB and its his responsibility. But as fans debating how good he is, don't forget to factor in everything.

7/18/2013 2:17:32 PM

^^^ so we are talking about the best two currently playing and then a future player's potential, but not too far into the future, got it. So what we really need is a list of colleges that have two QBs currently players in the NFL and one QB who is in the NFL as of this draft class but has yet to play a game, that's what we are comparing. Got it.

^ no, hes just horrible now

[Edited on July 18, 2013 at 2:33 PM. Reason : c]

7/18/2013 2:29:11 PM

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"USC with Palmer, Leinart, Sanchez, Barkley Georgia with Greene, Stafford and Murray Oklahoma with White, Bradford and Jones Florida with Grossman, Leak, Tebow"

lol at Grossman actually getting further in the postseason than any other QB on the list

[Edited on July 18, 2013 at 2:38 PM. Reason : including Rivers and Wilson]

7/18/2013 2:38:04 PM

^^Find me three quarterbacks in the NFL who graduated/left early from the same college, and compare them to Rivers/Wilson/Glennon. The only thing that Glennon brings to the table right now is being drafted and signing and presumably he is number 2 on the depth chart. Find me 3 from another school and compare it to them. Please entertain us with what you are going to come up with.

[Edited on July 18, 2013 at 2:40 PM. Reason : ]

7/18/2013 2:39:46 PM

^ so would three of them having actually played in the NFL outweigh two out of three playing no matter how good those two are? we talking "sum all stats for all three players" which means Glennon contributes nothing ? we talking just this past year? career? best year?

[Edited on July 18, 2013 at 2:42 PM. Reason : d]

7/18/2013 2:39:57 PM

If I said all that Glennon brings to the table right now is being drafted, signing and presumably being number 2 on the depth chart, then it would be reasonable to believe that factors in. So yes he counts for that. I guess I do have to explain things 2 or 3 times for you to understand what is being said. It's alright I can do that for you.

There is going to be no way to look at three players and objectively or even subjectively compare them definitively. So how about you find 3 and we discuss them. Isn't that the point of a message board.

7/18/2013 2:46:27 PM

apparently you cant read as you didnt answer most of my questions... if we are talking about taking three QBs currently in the NFL and summing their career stats to see who has the best combined stats I think I would take USC. Hell I would take Peyton and these nuts over just about any group of three if thats what we are talking about.

7/18/2013 2:49:57 PM

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"So how about you find 3 and we discuss them"

I think part of it is that there are three quarterbacks from one school. Saying Peyton is better than all three is a blatantly obvious. Taking the best QB in the league and saying he is better than everyone else is not even worth doing. He's the best, of course he is better than everyone else.

Find me 3 quarterbacks from the same school, name them and we will discuss from there.

7/18/2013 2:55:15 PM

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"if we are talking about taking three QBs currently in the NFL and summing their career stats to see who has the best combined stats I think I would take USC."

Palmer had one great year in Cincinnati...the Jets made a couple AFC title games despite Sanchez...Leinart sucks ass...I doubt their cumulative career stats are that great

7/18/2013 2:58:10 PM

once again, I need to know what we are basing this off of... combined career stats? stats just for last year? projected level of play for 2013?

^ maybe more than one, but still, hes played a decade probably... just time alone would have his stats high, IF we are talking about career stats.

[Edited on July 18, 2013 at 2:59 PM. Reason : d]

7/18/2013 2:58:45 PM

Russel Wilson is better than either Manning.

7/18/2013 3:04:03 PM

he's thrown for plenty of yards, but his TD:INT isn't anything great and iirc he has never won a playoff game

[Edited on July 18, 2013 at 3:06 PM. Reason : ^^]

7/18/2013 3:06:02 PM

I would put Rivers over Palmer...not by a huge margin...but definitely better. The rest of the USC QBs have blown mightily.

7/18/2013 3:08:32 PM

So Jaybee has yet to come up with a list of three. Or would you like to to take the USC route. And I'm not sure exactly how you can compare three players like that. If you look at career wise, Rivers is the best of the six, then Palmer and then Leinart and Wilson are close (Wilson's career is short but it was a great year), and its debatable whether Sanchez Is better than Glennon. Yes he has actually had a career, but he hurts his team being in the game. Glennon hasn't played and hasn't hurt his team. So career wise USC might have it.

But looking at each player today, Rivers and Wilson are easily in front, I won't put Palmer in the negative, Glennon is even, and Sanchez and Leinart are in the negative. So I give today's talent to State.

Of course I'm just looking at the eye test, which is completely subjective and up for debate.

[Edited on July 18, 2013 at 3:14 PM. Reason : ]

7/18/2013 3:08:57 PM

Rivers: 27,891 yards, 189 TD, 93 INT
Palmer: 29,465 yards, 189 TD, 130 INT

i'll take Rivers as well

7/18/2013 3:11:55 PM