and poor people

7/30/2016 11:15:34 AM

The "spin" per an earlier post is three D judges combined with not a single instance of an actual voter being disenfranchised equals an appeal forthcoming. Haven't had a chance yet to read the opinion myself though and my news consumption has been limited since this happened yesterday.

7/30/2016 1:31:37 PM

Exponentially more voters disenfranchised than instances of individual voter fraud

7/30/2016 3:51:31 PM

It also doesn't make sense to pass a law with clear discriminatory intent, then wait for the discrimination before over turning it.

It's like waiting for a house to burn down before calling the fire department, because you wanted to see if the fire would just stop on its own.

7/30/2016 4:25:09 PM

can we get the courts to invalidate the war on drugs too now. the drug laws were passed by a bunch of racist trying to lock up minorities right

[Edited on July 30, 2016 at 6:51 PM. Reason : another war on drugs post by beatsunc ]

7/30/2016 6:50:40 PM

You're not wrong, though.

7/30/2016 7:31:17 PM

^^ so you support this ruling?

7/30/2016 11:31:49 PM

I don't deny that the NCGA passed this law with the intention of making it harder for blacks to vote... But even with this law, it's still easier for blacks to vote in NC than they supposedly can in SC, VA, and TN. Neither SC nor VA has early voting. None of them allow "no-excuse absentee voting." None of them have same-day registration. And all three have voter ID requirements. SC's law was explicitly upheld in the Supreme Court, and the federal gov't had to foot some of SC's legal bills over the challenge.

I get that you can't pass a law in order to be discriminatory, but for fuck's sake, the law that was passed here is LESS STRICT than the laws that were upheld in three surrounding states, none of which have that great of a record on minority voting. How can a law be both Constitutional AND unConstitutional at the same time? I have no doubt this is going to the Supreme Court, and the ultimate victim in all of this might the Voting Rights Act, because it is what is setting up this absurdity.

7/31/2016 12:42:54 AM

^^not really. i am ok with voter id, just wanted to point out war on drugs is racist and would be invalid if same logic applied.

7/31/2016 12:57:17 AM

Except the ruling wasn't even remotely just about voter ID, and you need to stop applying the false equivalency lens to every political news item.

7/31/2016 1:30:05 AM

Quote :

"I don't deny that the NCGA passed this law with the intention of making it harder for blacks to vote... "

Why does this statement just get asserted as if it's a fact? Supporting evidence?

Still haven't made it through the entire opinion, but I don't see any evidence yet cited in the opinion for racially discriminatory intent on the part of the legislature. I should say any specific evidence of intent other than conjecture - eliminating one day of Sunday voting, etc. I also haven't seen recognition by the court of the massive shift of the legislature in 2010 to R control after almost 100 years of prior D control - as if R's had been in control prior to the 2008 election when blacks voted in historic numbers and just decided to punish them with this new voter id law.

[Edited on July 31, 2016 at 8:57 AM. Reason : ...]

7/31/2016 8:54:49 AM

^Don't know which opinion you're reading but it's pretty clearly spelled out:

Quote :

"But, on the day after the Supreme Court issued Shelby County v. Holder, 133 S. Ct. 2612 (2013), eliminating preclearance obligations, a leader of the party that newly dominated the legislature (and the party that rarely enjoyed African American support) announced an intention to enact what he characterized as an “omnibus” election law. Before enacting that law, the legislature requested data on the use, by race, of a number of voting practices. Upon receipt of the race data, the General assembly enacted legislation that restricted voting and registration in five different ways, all of which disproportionately affected African Americans."

http://electionlawblog.org/wp-content/uploads/nc-4th.pdf

Shit I'll keep going..

Photo IDs:

Quote :

"In this one statute, the North Carolina legislature imposed a number of voting restrictions. The law required in-person voters to show certain photo IDs, beginning in 2016, which African Americans disproportionately lacked, and eliminated or reduced registration and voting access tools that African Americans disproportionately used. Id. at *9-10, *37, *123, *127, *131. Moreover, as the district court found, prior to enactment of SL 2013-381, the legislature requested and received racial data as to usage of the practices changed by the proposed law. Id. at *136-38. This data showed that African Americans disproportionately lacked the most common kind of photo ID, those issued by the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV). Id. The pre-Shelby County version of SL 2013-381 provided that all government-issued IDs, even many that had been expired, would satisfy the requirement as an alternative to DMV-issued photo IDs. J.A. 2114-15. After Shelby County, with race data in hand, the legislature amended the bill to exclude many of the alternative photo IDs used by African Americans. Id. at *142; J.A. 2291-92. As amended, the bill retained only the kinds of IDs that white North Carolinians were more likely to possess. Id.; J.A. 3653, 2115, 2292.""

Early Voting:

Quote :

"The racial data provided to the legislators revealed that African Americans disproportionately used early voting in both 2008 and 2012. Id. at *136-38; see also id. at *48 n.74 (trial evidence showing that 60.36% and 64.01% of African Americans voted early in 2008 and 2012, respectively, compared to 44.47% Appeal: 16-1468 and 49.39% of whites). In particular, African Americans disproportionately used the first seven days of early voting. After receipt of this racial data, the General Assembly amended the bill to eliminate the first week of early voting, shortening the total early voting period from seventeen to ten days. Id. at *15, *136. As a result, SL 2013-381 also eliminated one of two “souls-to-the-polls” Sundays in which African American churches provided transportation to voters."

Same-Day Rego and Voting:

Quote :

"The district court found that legislators similarly requested data as to the racial makeup of same-day registrants. Id. at *137. Prior to SL 2013-381, same-day registration allowed eligible North Carolinians to register in person at an early voting site at the same time as casting their ballots. Id. at *6. Same-day registration provided opportunities for those as yet unable to register, as well as those who had ended up in the “incomplete registration queue” after previously attempting to register. Id. at *65. Same-day registration also provided an easy avenue to re-register for those who moved frequently, and allowed those with low literacy skills or other difficulty completing a registration form to receive personal assistance from poll workers. See id. The legislature’s racial data demonstrated that, as the district court found, “it is indisputable that African American voters disproportionately used [same-day registration] when it was available.” Id. at *61. The district court further found that African American registration applications constituted a disproportionate percentage of the incomplete registration queue. Id. at *65. And the court found that African Americans “are more likely to move between counties,” and thus “are more likely to need to re-register.” Id. As evidenced by the types of errors that placed many African American applications in the incomplete queue, id. at *65, *123 & n.26, in-person assistance likely would disproportionately benefit African Americans. SL 2013-381 eliminated same-day registration. Id. at *15."

[Edited on July 31, 2016 at 11:19 AM. Reason : .]

7/31/2016 11:05:53 AM

BUT THEY CAN JUST GET IDS, WHO IS DISENFRANCHISED?!

7/31/2016 11:34:05 AM

Do you know any poor black people?

I mean like rural county poor?

Dirt poor?

I grew up around it.

I think you really don't speaking the way that you do.

You're speaking from only one perspective.

ANYTHING that could purposely prevent a qualified voter from voting is discrimination, thus disenfranchisement. I don't see how you can't logically interpret this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBnXv_K0xQc

Watch and listen very carefully.

[Edited on July 31, 2016 at 11:40 AM. Reason : /]

7/31/2016 11:38:12 AM

I shouldn't have commented early - I try to avoid threads I'm not up on the facts enough to avoid not adding anything constructive to the thread. I read the same excerpts you posted and just interpret it differently. I didn't follow the voter id trial, nor the legislative hearings on the issue, so don't know the reasons the NCGA requested certain data. Either way, it's being appealed but it's unlikely SCOTUS will take it up before November.

^ And I'm sure plenty of us know poor people of all races. Voting ID's were being provided for free.

[Edited on July 31, 2016 at 2:45 PM. Reason : ...]

7/31/2016 2:44:20 PM

Jesus tittyfucking christ this isn't about voter ID. You can't have read the shit you're claiming to have read and come in here talking about how ID cards are free. There are way more provisions involved here than voter ID, and there is obvious intent involved with changes to said provisions, especially when you consider the data that was provided.

7/31/2016 9:20:32 PM

Right, got it, understood. I was merely responding to the comment above making the point about rural poor people, a comment I took to be about $$ not early voting or any of the other myriad discriminatory ways in which the racist NCGA attempted to discriminate against black voters.

8/1/2016 5:54:21 AM

And I was responding to a post that was just about IDs.

How logical was that?

8/1/2016 7:12:14 AM

Quote :

"That deference does not apply here because the evidence in this case establishes that, at least in part, race motivated the North Carolina legislature. Thus, we do not ask whether the State has an interest in preventing voter fraud -- it does -- or whether a photo ID requirement constitutes one way to serve that interest -- it may -- but whether the legislature would have enacted SL 2013-381’s photo ID requirement if it had no disproportionate impact on African American voters. The record evidence establishes that it would not have. The photo ID requirement here is both too restrictive and not restrictive enough to effectively prevent voter fraud; “[i]t is at once too narrow and too broad.” Romer v. Evans, 517 U.S. 620, 633 (1996); see Anderson, 460 U.S. at 805 (rejecting election law as “both too broad and too narrow”). First, the photo ID requirement, which applies only to in-person voting and not to absentee voting, is too narrow to combat fraud. On the one hand, the State has failed to identify even a single individual who has ever been charged with committing in-person voter fraud in North Carolina. See J.A. 6802. On the other, the General Assembly did have evidence of alleged cases of mailin absentee voter fraud. J.A. 1678, 6802. Notably, the legislature also had evidence that absentee voting was not disproportionately used by African Americans; indeed, whites disproportionately used absentee voting. J.A. 1796-97. The General Assembly then exempted absentee voting from the photo ID requirement."

and if that's too much reading, lemme tl;dr it:

The photo ID requirement only applies to in-person voting, and not absentee voting.

The state could not produce a single instance of in-person voter fraud. There are instances of absentee fraud. But as the voting data obtained by the state did not show significant use of absentee voting by african americans, the NCGA exempted absentee voting from requiring an ID.


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Also, On page 39 of the ruling, the court record has NC's justification for abolishing sunday voting, stating

"The State then elaborated on its justification, explaining that “[c]ounties with Sunday voting in 2014 were disproportionately black” and “disproportionately Democratic.” "

The state said this IN OPEN COURT and thought it was okay...

8/1/2016 11:53:01 AM

Despite that smoking gun, McCrory is going to spend taxpayer dollars appealing.

http://www.wral.com/mccrory-to-appeal-voter-id-ruling-after-cooper-demurs/15896986/

8/3/2016 11:44:14 AM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBMxskyDk9o

Or if you choose

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1xzoOpv8xY

[Edited on August 4, 2016 at 8:13 PM. Reason : /]

8/4/2016 8:12:11 PM

Quote :

"One of the most comprehensive studies on the subject found only 31 individual cases of voter impersonation out of more than 1 billion votes cast in the United States since the year 2000. Researchers have found that reports of voter fraud are roughly as common as reports of alien abduction."

8/6/2016 9:04:25 AM

http://www.wral.com/legislature-s-legal-bills-top-9m-in-defense-of-state-laws/15905135/

tl;dr - Over half of that was spent defending the Voter ID law that got stuck down.

8/7/2016 9:17:23 PM

Guilford County Board of Elections trying to do what the legislature couldn't

http://nc-democracy.org/birthplace-of-sit-in-movement-takes-center-stage-in-next-chapter-of-ncs-voting-wars/

Quote :

"On Monday, August 8, the Board will take up and likely vote on a plan that would: cut by nearly half the number of Early Voting sites provided in 2012, including most sites inside Greensboro; completely eliminate Sunday voting; cut the popular site in the African-American community at Barber Park; and eliminate the sites at UNC-Greensboro and NC A&T University."

8/8/2016 11:30:20 AM

another L

what a great group of assholes

8/11/2016 3:43:05 PM

They have had their asses handed to them yet again:
http://www.wral.com/federal-court-nc-house-and-senate-district-unconstitutional-racial-gerrymanders/15920846/

8/11/2016 4:16:36 PM

http://www.wral.com/email-from-gop-executive-director-calls-for-limited-early-voting-hours/15938445/

Quote :

"The North Carolina Republican Party is lobbying for limited early voting hours, and Executive Director Dallas Woodhouse is calling on appointed county boards of elections officials across the state to make the changes... In the email, Woodhouse also pushed for county elections boards to close polling places on Sundays and eliminate polling sites on college campuses..."

From the email:

Quote :

"Many of our folks are angry and are opposed to Sunday voting for a host of reasons including respect for voter’s religious preferences, protection of our families and allowing the fine election staff a day off, rather than forcing them to work days on end without time off. Six days of voting in one week is enough. Period. No group of people are entitled to their own early voting site, including college students, who already have more voting options than most other citizens."

http://www.wral.com/full-email-sent-by-dallas-woodhouse/15938449/

[Edited on August 18, 2016 at 10:24 AM. Reason : ]

8/18/2016 10:01:48 AM

Who was the guy who recently stepped down to "spend more time with his family?" And then there was someone else who did the same weeks ago?

8/18/2016 10:15:26 AM

^^ my family has known the Woodhouse family since that dude was a teenager

according to them, he's always been a total prick

Quote :

"Many of our folks are angry and are opposed to Sunday voting for a host of reasons including respect for voter’s religious preferences"

this makes zero sense

8/18/2016 11:55:34 AM

^^^ translated.

Fuck blacks and young adults. They shouldn't vote.

[Edited on August 18, 2016 at 12:03 PM. Reason : And Jews. Saturday voting is fine.]

8/18/2016 12:02:11 PM

Thanksgiving should be fun this year - http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/politics-columns-blogs/under-the-dome/article96394252.html

Quote :

"Democrat Brad Woodhouse says his brother – the executive director of the N.C. Republican Party – is making a “racist” attempt to limit early voting in this year’s election. Brad and Dallas Woodhouse are political opposites who often debate on cable TV shows, once prompting their mother to memorably call C-SPAN and demand “a peaceful Christmas.” Brad Woodhouse currently leads a liberal group called Americans United For Change. On Thursday, Brad Woodhouse tweeted a link to a News & Observer story about emails his brother sent to Republican county elections board members, encouraging them to “make party line changes to early voting” by limiting the number of hours and keeping polling sites closed on Sundays. “This is blatantly racist and completely disgusting,” Brad tweeted to Dallas. “You should ashamed of yourself. “When our parents took us to vote with them every election I never would have expected this from you.”"

8/18/2016 5:22:03 PM

Yall hear about Berger complaining that too many democrats are employed at UNC? And from what I recall hearing on the radio he's trying to set-up some Environmental Studies through legislation that will have more conservatives in it (somebody fill me in on the details if you're familiar).

You think it's because many conservatives are anti-science and anti-environment? here's an opinion piece:

http://www.newsobserver.com/opinion/op-ed/article97210447.html

8/23/2016 1:57:55 PM

lol

what's the breaking point for when the True Believers finally realize how in-the-wrong their party is with so many issues?

[Edited on August 31, 2016 at 4:21 PM. Reason : .]

8/31/2016 4:08:15 PM

Bye bye voter restriction law.

Plz to post NCGOP responses in this thread

8/31/2016 6:36:54 PM

Quote :

"North Carolina has been denied basic voting rights already granted to more than 30 other states to protect the integrity of one person, one vote through a common-sense voter ID law."

Pat McCrory

[Edited on September 1, 2016 at 12:05 PM. Reason : ]

9/1/2016 12:05:04 PM

Wat? That's like the exact opposite what was happening.

9/1/2016 12:15:27 PM

^^^
TGD was saying a few weeks ago was intentional-- this was McCrory's way of conceding by blaming the courts. They waited an unusually long time to file their last injunction (or whatever its called) knowing it was too long, but it makes it look like they tried and they can beat up on "activist courts".

9/1/2016 12:19:31 PM

They are not giving up on voter suppression efforts:
http://www.newsobserver.com/news/politics-government/election/article100284162.html

9/7/2016 10:27:18 AM

Offering fewer polling places allows for better "monitoring of voter fraud"...

9/7/2016 11:55:17 AM

inorite

9/7/2016 11:56:45 AM

9/12/2016 9:43:50 PM

quadrupeling down on absolute absurdity

kind of amazing at this point

9/12/2016 10:04:49 PM

Maybe this will piss off the NCAA enough for them to finally penalize UNC.

9/12/2016 10:09:59 PM

Using rape victims to score political points is fucking ghastly.

9/12/2016 10:20:28 PM

That reads like a golo comment. Do they even try to be professional?

9/12/2016 10:31:02 PM

Kami Mueller - I'd hit it.

9/13/2016 12:00:28 AM

Fo sho

9/13/2016 12:39:50 AM

some pic here in case anyone was curious:

https://www.facebook.com/kami.mueller.5?fref=ts

9/13/2016 8:44:45 AM

Quote :

"ACC will relocate all neutral-site championships for 2016-17 from North Carolina, due to HB2 law."

9/14/2016 1:20:45 PM

eagerly awaiting their response to this one

9/14/2016 1:30:31 PM