she could feel the heat in the eggs before she ever met the witch. they were still alive.

6/20/2011 6:48:07 PM

jon - ghost
robb - grey wind
sansa - lady (dead)
arya - nymeria
bran - summer
rickon - shaggy dog

6/20/2011 6:51:23 PM

^ might want to mention that Nymeria ran away after Arya threw rocks at it during the whole incident with the swordfight with Joffrey by the river, in case anyone forgot about that part in like episode 2.

and i think last night's episode was the first time we saw shaggydog and rickon since episode 1, lol

Also, as has been previously mentioned, http://towerofthehand.com/ is a site that allows you to set your "scope" to avoid spoilers. Since you guys have all seen this show, you can probably go ahead and set your scope to AGOT and use the search box, since this show covers pretty much the whole plot from the book

6/20/2011 6:56:42 PM

Rickon was in the one where Robb rides off to war (I guess that was ep 8) when he was hiding behind the door.

But this is the first time we've really seen Shaggydog.

6/20/2011 7:45:30 PM

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"she could feel the heat in the eggs before she ever met the witch. they were still alive."

this, Danny had a connection to the eggs long before they hatched.

also we have no idea what the possible incubation period for a dragon's egg is. Also, the death pays for life thing makes no sense because Drogo was pretty much already dead (had no quality of life) and even if you count him, he and Miri only make two lives for three dragons.

There is certainly symbolism in the death/pyre scene, but I don't think that has anything to do with making the eggs hatch.

6/20/2011 8:12:45 PM

^you could argue dany's baby or even dany herself as the 3rd.

6/20/2011 8:43:02 PM

Maybe there's some 2 humans to 3 dragons math we are not aware of.

6/20/2011 8:44:29 PM

I think Dany's baby brought Drogo back to whatever life he had (zombie), and Miri's life gave life to the dragons collectively.

6/20/2011 8:51:36 PM

i always just assumed the life thing was symbolic mostly, and the dragons hadn't hatched because no one thought to put them in a blazing fire because they were priceless and they didn't want to ruin them. i could see there being some kind of supernatural element to it though, because in one of the books it mentions people trying desperately to hatch dragons and failing miserably, so maybe there is more to it than just incubating the eggs.

6/20/2011 8:55:51 PM

Just bought the 1st 4 books off of amazon for $17.00. Can't wait until next Spring

6/20/2011 10:16:00 PM

Winter has come and it will be a long one this time. We must protect the wall until Spring 2012.

6/20/2011 10:18:14 PM

I watched episodes 2-10 today. It was quite good. I was surprised at the amount of 'main' characters that died; Ned being the biggest shock. It definitely didn't turn me off to the series though.

I read a lot of Stephen King though, and he likes killing people so maybe I am desensitized

looking forward to season 2. Will look into the audio book for GoT.

6/20/2011 10:40:29 PM

Can someone give me their password to HBOgo?

I have it on DirecTV, but for some reason, I get a pop-up saying basically that DirecTV is fucked and its not going to work.

I want to watch episode #1, the only one I missed.

6/20/2011 10:51:05 PM

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"Just bought the 1st 4 books off of amazon for $17.00. Can't wait until next Spring"

Me too. lol

6/21/2011 12:39:12 AM

I missed about half of the last two episodes but why did the dragon princess turn on that gypsy witch that she sacrificed in the fire? I thought she had established a relationship with her, did she feel she was responsible for the barbarians death or was danny just being a little evil again?

6/21/2011 2:05:50 AM

I've always looked at the dragon eggs thing as a type of foreshadowing. They are born of fire and blood/life and that's what their purpose will ultimately be.

6/21/2011 7:17:32 AM

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"Can someone give me their password to HBOgo? I have it on DirecTV, but for some reason, I get a pop-up saying basically that DirecTV is fucked and its not going to work. I want to watch episode #1, the only one I missed."

http://www.sidereel.com/

6/21/2011 7:46:51 AM

^^^ When Dany confronted the witch about what happened to Drogo, the witch pretty much said something along the lines of "Your people came to my village and burned it to the ground. You killed all of my friends. Your men had their way with me multiple times before you even got to me. This is my revenge."

6/21/2011 8:39:53 AM

Mirri Maz Duur was responsible for Drogo's death. In the book it was even more clear, she sabotaged him from the start, making sure the wound would fester and make him very sick at the least.

Personally even though most fans hated her for it I thought she was one of the greatest unsung heroes of the story. Just because one of the main characters loved him doesn't make Drogo a good person.

6/21/2011 8:54:44 AM

^^^ or http://www.icefilms.info if you don't want to have to scroll through so many fake links

6/21/2011 9:15:20 AM

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"Personally even though most fans hated her for it I thought she was one of the greatest unsung heroes of the story. Just because one of the main characters loved him doesn't make Drogo a good person."

poisoning a man's wound makes someone a hero?

6/21/2011 9:19:13 AM

Dany was a fool for thinking this woman would really keep to her word and "heal" him. she was just raped and had all her possessions and temple taken from her, along with her fellow worshippers. yea, she is really gonna help

6/21/2011 9:26:35 AM

^^ When the guy burned your village and his men raped the women. Sure.

[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 9:30 AM. Reason : .]

6/21/2011 9:27:25 AM

Dany let her brother undress her and treat her like a piece of furniture, she is not known for her common sense. The naive queen's hubris paved the way for her mighty kings downfall. Figuratively, Dany killed Drogo, not the witch. Then after the blood magic spell, she killed him again, quite literally.

[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 9:35 AM. Reason : -]

6/21/2011 9:34:26 AM

^^Keep in mind that Dany is still very young and more than a little naive.

She's in a new world that she's just now barely starting to understand...

6/21/2011 9:36:56 AM

The thing is, it was barely a cut on Drogo's chest. It's not like the Dothraki have never been cut before. If he had just left it alone it probably would have just scabbed up and healed fine. I suppose in the book it was a more serious injury but still, you'd think he would have enough sense not to let the witch do her crap. Even the blood riders had enough sense to not trust her. But whatever, that's just how it was written.

6/21/2011 9:45:57 AM

In the book it was an arrow wound, but the duel was pretty awesome so I can't complain too much.

And yeah, when poisoning someone, knowing that you will be killed for it, saves tens of thousands of innocent lives it makes you heroic.

[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 9:56 AM. Reason : ]

6/21/2011 9:54:58 AM

how was it saving anyone? the dothraki will just ride behind a new khal.

6/21/2011 10:02:12 AM

Personally I'm glad Drogo is dead. I'm not sure I could take much more of Dany calling him her "stars and sun". That's just as annoying as those couples that call each other "babe" constantly

6/21/2011 10:04:24 AM

A Khal that's not as good as Drogo, plus the Khalesar will be in minor civil war mode for a while, weakening them significantly.


Plus they won't be going to Westeros now.

6/21/2011 10:04:57 AM

Well I haven't read that far in the book and I don't know what's gonna happen, this is just speculation, but I'd imagine Dany is gonna raise the dragons and lead her own Khal to Westeros to wreck shit and take over.

6/21/2011 10:20:22 AM

Why does she need a new Khal when she has dragons?

6/21/2011 10:43:56 AM

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"And yeah, when poisoning someone, knowing that you will be killed for it, saves tens of thousands of innocent lives it makes you heroic."

Ah cool, so the Dothraki are going to turn into peaceful farmers now that Drogo is dead? Totally heroic!

6/21/2011 10:48:02 AM

^^ dragons are like air support, you can't win wars with just air power. at some point you need boots on the ground as well.

6/21/2011 10:51:44 AM

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"Ah cool, so the Dothraki are going to turn into peaceful farmers now that Drogo is dead? Totally heroic!"

They were going to buy ships and pillage Westeros. Now they aren't.

6/21/2011 11:04:33 AM

I'm pretty sure the Dragons will have some pretty massive boots on the ground when they get tired of flying. Dragons need to take a breather too ya know. Anyway, an army of 10,000 with three big ass dragons can take out an army of 20,000, with fear and air support alone.

6/21/2011 11:07:24 AM

ITT

Readers sitting, reading, and laughing to themselves about what non-readers are demanding will and will not happen!

6/21/2011 11:17:57 AM

^^^ right, now they'll just pillage their own continent some more. no net change in pillaging.

[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 11:18 AM. Reason : .]

6/21/2011 11:18:21 AM

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" no net change in pillaging."

one of the best comments of the entire thread

6/21/2011 11:25:58 AM

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"Readers sitting, reading, and laughing to themselves about what non-readers are demanding will and will not happen!"

this is exactly how regular TV show discussions go, thinking about what is going to happen and giving their opinions on it

unfortunately for this discussion, most people have read all the books so their comments usually just lead to spoilers

6/21/2011 11:26:19 AM

That and the Dothraki completely fear saltwater (or as they see it, water that a horse will not drink). The only reason they were going to attack Westeros under Drogo's rule was because Drogo knew that Baratheon & co. were sending assassins after Dany and if he didn't put a stop to it, one of the assassins would eventually succeed. Once Drogo died, none of his khal had any interest in following Dany's orders. She's got three dragons on her side now so I'd imagine she's gonna spend some time wrecking shit among the Dothraki to make a gigantic khal, then taking them and the dragons to Westeros to claim the throne.

6/21/2011 11:27:01 AM

^ so you're saying the witch isnt a hero for poisoning Drogo?

6/21/2011 11:28:33 AM

No, she is.

[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 11:40 AM. Reason : the net change in pillaging is significant]

[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 11:41 AM. Reason : and this isn't a spoiler btw, Drogo was the most successful pillager, his successor won't be as good]

6/21/2011 11:36:21 AM

Ratings for the season finale hit a high of 3 million (only counting the initial 9pm showing). Up 0.8 million from the premier and the season steadily grew in numbers almost episode by episode which is very good news for a new show.

I'm definitely hoping this goes the path of True Blood in terms of number of viewers (even though I do not like True Blood). TB started at 1.4 million at it's S1 premier, finished at 2.4 for the S1 finale and S2 started out at 3.7 after DVD sales etc. created more of a buzz.

I can definitely see GOT going that kind of path. Depending on DVD sales, awards, and the casting announcements for some of the new main characters to be introduced I could see a push towards 4million for next season's premier. Which would almost certainly lock in the 3rd season if that was the case.

[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 11:47 AM. Reason : .]

6/21/2011 11:41:46 AM

I would also hope GoT doesn't degenerate into complete trash like True Blood has

6/21/2011 1:13:52 PM

If they continue to draw upon the literature, like they have been doing thus far, the series will succeed. I'd imagine it will get even more popular once the first season hits stores, making episode 1 of season 2, balloon to nearly 4 to 5 million viewers.

[Edited on June 21, 2011 at 1:21 PM. Reason : -]

6/21/2011 1:20:46 PM

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"Why does she need a new Khal when she has dragons?"

The dragons are about as big as dachshunds right now. She needs to live long enough to let them grow, and she'll need more than just three dragons to conquer and hold an entire continent.

6/21/2011 1:24:16 PM

I disagree. Jorah said that she could sell the fossilized eggs and live a wealthy woman for the rest of her days. If some stones can get you that much money imagine how many followers you could gain by simply being in possession of 3 living dragons. Everyone is going to want a piece.

6/21/2011 1:33:48 PM

Three living dragons standing alongside you will create an army out of thin air. People will be drawn to the power and follow the person that leads them. I bet to many mercenaries it will be considered the chance of a lifetime.

6/21/2011 2:01:48 PM

Mercenaries only follow those with money, not those with dragons.

She can conjure up masses of peasants and slaves with a few dragons, but not an army fit to take over anything.

6/21/2011 2:08:23 PM