I think you guys are cynically (and rightfully so) underestimating the punishment this guy is going to receive.

Before Ferguson, and without video evidence, you'd probably be correct. Personally, I think he's going to prison for a really long time until someone kills him in the showers.

4/9/2015 8:23:24 AM

regardless of what the guy he's shot has done, there's no way in hell that cop is getting off

he might get sent to country club jail to protect him from real inmates, but that's about it

4/9/2015 8:25:42 AM

^ I didn't say I thought he had a chance of getting off. I just wouldn't be surprised to see Andy Savage work some insanity/mental issues stuff in there to get him in a mental health facility or at least heavily lessen the sentencing.

4/9/2015 9:02:39 AM

he "won't remember" like the cop that climbed on the hood and shot into the cab 15 times

4/9/2015 9:15:06 AM

It's easy to be cynical when there are probably multiple buildings within miles of the shooting named after STROM FUCKING THURMOND

4/9/2015 9:31:58 AM

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"The only criminal element here is a cop trying to cover up a murder."

So the murder itself is a-ok?

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"They weren't even aware of the existence of the video till it surfaced."

How are you so sure?

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"I think you guys are cynically (and rightfully so) underestimating the punishment this guy is going to receive."

+1

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"I just wouldn't be surprised to see Andy Savage work some insanity/mental issues stuff in there to get him in a mental health facility "

No fucking way.

[Edited on April 9, 2015 at 10:09 AM. Reason : rabble rabble rabble]

4/9/2015 9:53:33 AM

Andy Savage is the Catalina Wine Mixer of attorneys

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs0uLXodDVA

4/9/2015 10:01:52 AM

http://www.latimes.com/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-michael-slager-south-carolina-bio-20150408-htmlstory.html

4/9/2015 10:03:11 AM

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"Do u have a link? "

Will you read the fucking thread. Jesus Christ.

This is the picture that keeps bothering me.



Looks like the buttons are okay...just the stripes are fucked up.



Second time in this thread you've asked a question thats already been answered. Read the thread and/or do your own basic research.

[Edited on April 9, 2015 at 10:27 AM. Reason : V]

4/9/2015 10:03:33 AM

Calm yourself, dude.

When EMCE first posted that, there was no link.

4/9/2015 10:08:51 AM

The guy clearly died from asthma and his unhealthy lifestyle, the bullets merely exaggerated his preexisting condition.

4/9/2015 10:11:53 AM

Maybe if Scott was in a little better shape, he would have been running faster and the bullets wouldn't have caught up to him.

4/9/2015 10:14:01 AM

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"Read the thread and/or do your own basic research."

Naw I prefer to see you get your panties in a wad. It's all about me dude.

4/9/2015 10:35:04 AM

I should more tolerant of the unfortunate.

4/9/2015 10:38:41 AM

Every real criminal knows to run a zig zag.

4/9/2015 10:39:18 AM

This is a shitty time to be a cop in this country. Wish I had an answer, but I don't. This shit really makes me sick and I would kick Slager's ass if I had the chance. Now my job gets even harder because of this fuck tard.

The one this I will say about this PD's allegations; although they may be true, its really easy to file a suit and claim shit that never happened or twist the facts. I've seen it happen on multiple occasions, even with video of the contrary.

[Edited on April 9, 2015 at 10:44 AM. Reason : ...]

4/9/2015 10:43:22 AM

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"Submit to authority, you said it. If they would listen to the cops and let them do their jobs, 99% of this incidents would never happen. Police reform is a much smaller problem than the reform that needs to go.on in our society. Parents need to start taking responsibility and stop pointing the finger. If you can't raise your children, then don't have them. This pity bullshit is only making it worse. JUST MY OPINION!!!"

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"Unfair and unjust? The guy selling cigarettes was breaking the law and the cops we're called by tax paying, store owners who were trying to make a living. He had been arrested numerous times before this. It wasn't unfair or unjust."

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" If you watch it he didn't choke him after they got him down, he was overweight and had a heart issue, but I'm sure you feel that is societies fault also. That's why cops didn't get in trouble, but responding EMT lost his job. You seem to miss the fact that he resisted arrest.."

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"The cops didn't kill him. There were other factors , crime, weight, poor medical, etc. If he didn't break the law or had he listened to the cops, he would have died either. WOW!!! Is right."

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"And if you read the medical report, that is not why he died."

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"He was justified in choking him to get him down. I don't know you and you have your opinion, I don't feel that allowing people to act however they want is ok. And if you have a run in with the cops and resist and get shot, I will still have the same opinion. The cop shouldn't have to wait for you to shoot him."

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"No it's okay to use excessive force because they tried to arrest him and he resisted."

[Edited on April 9, 2015 at 10:44 AM. Reason : ^^ lol]

4/9/2015 10:43:49 AM

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"The one this I will say about this PD's allegations; although they may be true, its really easy to file a suit and claim shit that never happened or twist the facts."

For sure, but that happens on both sides, sadly.

4/9/2015 10:50:36 AM

^^Is that from GOLO? If so, you should post the commenters' names too.

4/9/2015 10:52:19 AM

Some idiot on FB.

4/9/2015 11:03:21 AM

So apparently the police claimed they also performed CPR on Scott. the video shows that was not the case.

one can't help but wonder if CPR wasn't performed because the policemen thought Scott was already dead/ was a lost cause.... or if it wasn't performed because they wanted him to die?

4/9/2015 11:14:22 AM

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"For sure, but that happens on both sides, sadly."

No doubt. Witnesses too (in both cases). I was in a critical incident a few years back and a witness was interviewed who gave the exact same account I did. One problem, they were at home asleep in another city when it all happened and that was before the story even made the news.

The most sane thing I've heard out of all these shootings was from an alderman from Ferguson. He said that the us vs them mentality has to stop...on both sides.

It wasn't but a couple, three years ago where an O.G. knucklehead would take off running, you gave chase, had a little struggle and you could shake hands. He would bust up on you for being out of breath and you would bust on them for being slow. They wouldn't rat, and you didn't ask. Now, it just all a big F you on both sides. Everyone runs their gums the entire way to the jail (on both sides). People threaten each other (on both sides). This shit was fun at some point.

4/9/2015 11:16:21 AM

^ That sucks man. Does shit like this make you want to leave the profession??

Lawyers get shitted on daily and generally have a negative viewpoint by the general public...but at least I don't put my life on the line on a daily basis.

4/9/2015 11:18:49 AM

The us vs. them mentality is warranted until law enforcement organizations and departments do more to regulate themselves and push back against the increasing police state and militarization and federalization of our law enforcement. Everyone is always "one of the good ones", but organizations and departments continue to endorse and support programs that dissolve civil rights and liberties and support the police/prison industry. Fuck all of you.

[Edited on April 9, 2015 at 11:21 AM. Reason : .]

4/9/2015 11:21:07 AM

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"Does shit like this make you want to leave the profession??"

Its frustrating to say the least. In some of the places I've worked, there are good people that need the services of the police department and that is what drives me. Now that being said, if I had an opportunity to go make money outside of LE, I would.

4/9/2015 11:29:56 AM

I think most people understand that the vast majority in law enforcement are good people who are doing a tough, dangerous job. People want to trust the police, they don't want to live in a society where they cant.

The thing everyone gets pissed off about is that there does not seem to be any accountability for unethical people in law enforcement. There are shitty people in every profession known to man, but in other professions they do not have the ability to ruin peoples lives with false charges, detention, planted evidence, shots to the back, etc.

Not everyone is cut out to be an airline pilot (we have seen that lately), not everyone is cut out to be an ER surgeon, not everyone is cut out to man a nuclear plant, the list goes on. The bottom line is society depends on certain peoples performance at work for protection and safety, we have to demand that the people in those positions be trained, ready, and have the moral compass necessary for the job.

4/9/2015 1:30:26 PM

I'm generally opposed to the destruction of privacy in this country, and the fact that anything we say or do might be recorded

but this is a case where I'm quite all right with random people recording a shameful situation, and destroying somebody's reputation/ruining their life

this might be the first such instance that I'm cool with.

4/9/2015 1:47:18 PM

There is a flipside to body cameras though.

What if you call in that someone has been trespassing on your property, and the cop comes up and you answer the door in your skivvies. The camera is probably on, so you're being recorded, even though YOU were the one who called in for help.

4/9/2015 2:07:41 PM

oh yes, I hate the ubiquity of cameras in our society. I was just saying that here's a situation when this alarmist, intrusive, record-everything culture actually caught something that was totally worth spying on and exposing.

4/9/2015 2:13:51 PM

I think that probably needs its own thread in TSB or something. I mean anybody can go out and buy a cheap security camera, stick it on their back porch, and record me playing in the backyard with my daughter.

Now I'm sure that isn't their intent, but I am still being recorded where I have not approved it.

And it is only going to get worse.

Do we know the details of the person that filmed the whole ordeal? Like what kind of camera, where the guy was, how the cop didn't notice he was there? Because if I'm a cop planting evidence, I'm going to look around before doing it to see if anybody could see me.

4/9/2015 2:24:34 PM

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"I think most people understand that the vast majority in law enforcement are good people who are doing a tough, dangerous job."

I think this might be a stretch. I'm not saying the vast majority are bad people, but i don't think the vast majority are good people. It takes a certain kind of person to want to be a police officer. I knew three people I went to high school with that went on to be cops, and none of them were what I would call "good people". And i've had a few run-ins with cops over my lifetime, and more often than not the cops were jerks. Although I've met a few nice ones too.

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"I'm generally opposed to the destruction of privacy in this country, and the fact that anything we say or do might be recorded"

If you're being paid by taxpayer's money to do a job, there should be no issue with you being recorded while doing that job.

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"What if you call in that someone has been trespassing on your property, and the cop comes up and you answer the door in your skivvies."

How about you just don't answer the door in your skiivies? Especially since you called the cops and know they'll be showing up.

4/9/2015 2:24:39 PM

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"If you're being paid by taxpayer's money to do a job, there should be no issue with you being recorded while doing that job."

Meh, I disagree. I'm actually in that situation - I'm paid taxpayer money to do math research - and I sure as fuck wouldn't be comfortable with having a camera in my office, in plain view or otherwise. Because like anybody else, I'm going to goof off sometimes while I'm at work, and it'd be really unsettling to think that my goofing-off and everything else I did was being recorded.

It's not appropriate (I don't think) to record people unless there's an immediate cause for it. It's a slippery slope towards 1984, for me.

4/9/2015 2:31:08 PM

I don't think anybody in their normal state of mind would answer the door in their skivvies. I was just trying to illustrate that when people demand body cameras for cops no matter what, there might be some consequences. Serious or not.

I can just see a new show being created: Cops 2: Body camera crazies.

4/9/2015 2:34:01 PM

^^well, i see your point, but being a cop is a different situation because of the authority they have. if you're being paid by taxpayers, you should be held accountable for your performance. In your situation, it would be making sure you're doing the research, which could be easily verifiable, and making sure you're not spending hours on the internet. for a cop, the best way to ensure that they're performing their job in a ethical manner and not abusing their authority is to videotape them. and it could be beneficial to them too to prove something in court.

[Edited on April 9, 2015 at 2:36 PM. Reason : ]

4/9/2015 2:35:46 PM

Still a slippery slope. The same exact argument could be used for teachers, since grades don't always reflect a teacher's performance. A camera in the classroom would allow submission to authorities for review of teaching styles/methods/lessons. Yea, teachers get observed, but the behavior will always be different with someone else in the classroom watching.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for body cameras, I just think there might be some unintended consequences down the road.

4/9/2015 2:48:05 PM

Yeah, I actually agree, I'm just trying to make arguments in favor of cops having to wear body cameras, because I think they absolutely should have to because of the position they're in.

4/9/2015 3:07:46 PM

...and if they tamper with the cameras in any way they go straight to jail.

How does a body camera endanger a cop or prevent him from doing his job exactly? I want plausible scenarios...

[Edited on April 9, 2015 at 3:14 PM. Reason : -]

4/9/2015 3:13:59 PM

And just for the record, I am definitely not for cameras in the classroom.

4/9/2015 3:25:59 PM

Well I'm not either, but teachers & students aren't exactly off the fucking chain like cops are at the moment.

4/9/2015 3:28:05 PM

I could see people being much less willing to cooperate with cops, as in give them info that could help in a case, if they knew they were being recorded. People like confidential informants and such or even simply witnesses.

4/9/2015 3:28:11 PM

I think if you have a government authorized mandate to kill people in certain situations, you should damn sure have to wear a body camera, and it should be on at all times because you don't know when that mandate will need to be exercised.

I don't think this is really something other government professions have to deal with.

4/9/2015 3:28:48 PM

And there needs to be exceptions too, right? I wouldn't expect someone from a narcotics division who is under deep cover to wear a camera.

Unless I've just seen too many movies and there really is no such thing as deep cover in narcotics.

4/9/2015 3:36:17 PM

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"How does a body camera endanger a cop or prevent him from doing his job exactly?"

1. It's intrusive and totally fucks with his thought-processes. It makes him feel like he's a criminal, and decreases his pride in his position and his empathy with the public whom he serves (which makes him a less devoted, effective policeman).

2. It prevents him from exercising his own judgment/discretion. As an easy example, it's WAY harder for him to let a speeder off with a warning.

And these are purely utilitarian reasons. Let's not forget the fact that IT SUCKS FOR HIM. I'd feel pretty bad attaching a camera to anybody while they did their job.

4/9/2015 3:40:17 PM

That's all small potatoes compared to, idk, being shot in the back (etc).

4/9/2015 3:45:11 PM

I would think that after a while, they would forget they were there.

In a few years, it would be just another piece of equipment.

4/9/2015 3:46:52 PM

It's not small potatoes when you apply it to every one of the 1.1 million cops in the U.S.

And it would totally change the way law enforcement was carried out (in my view, much for the worse)

I feel attaching a camera to every cop as a result of this incident (or even a collection of incidents) is like, ridiculous overkill

^
you're NEVER going to forget that you're being watched. they'd get used to it, but as I said, it would totally change policemanship.

[Edited on April 9, 2015 at 3:49 PM. Reason : rg]

4/9/2015 3:48:25 PM

I would just feel so shitty every day if I had to wear a camera to make sure I didn't murder someone by shooting them in the back.

Man what a drag; my whole reason for becoming a cop is blown (thanks). My pride is just shot all to hell...

(poor choice of words)

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"ridiculous overkill"

Did you even see the video? I'd be interested to know what dollar value you attach to a life? Less than a camera? I'm sure there are better arguments to be made here.

[Edited on April 9, 2015 at 3:51 PM. Reason : -]

4/9/2015 3:50:23 PM

Yeah agreed on the judgement think sometimes cops have to be able to use their judgement on situations and let people go who may have been breaking the law. Once cameras go into effect they will feel the need to enforce eveything which may suck more for the general public.

4/9/2015 3:53:39 PM

Are there such things as gun cameras that activate when taken out of the holster? that way privacy 95% of the time is ensured until a possible shooting situation arises.

(they would have to be small and unobtrusive. i wouldn't want it to make the weapon less effective or accurate by throwing off the balance of it.)

[Edited on April 9, 2015 at 3:55 PM. Reason : ]

4/9/2015 3:54:40 PM

In this case someone probably would have accidentally erased/copied over the backup tape.

4/9/2015 3:55:41 PM