You had my vote locked up, then gave it away

8/22/2019 8:19:31 AM

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"I can’t fathom loving guns so much that’d you be ok with another 4 years of Trump"

when you iive in a constant state of fear of everything, you get panicked when they pull a perceived source of power away

8/22/2019 8:24:36 AM

Duke really hates Trump. So much so that he would happily vote for a Democrat presidential candidate*.


*as long as they're republican

8/22/2019 8:26:07 AM

he tried

8/22/2019 8:26:56 AM

What did biden say exactly anyway? I haven't seen any democrats saying unexpected or crazy things about guns.

8/22/2019 9:03:39 AM

I'd agree here that theDuke866 isn't really going to vote for a democrat. I think he'll just not vote for Trump. It's the same action that a lot of republicans took last time in order to act like they tried or took a stance.

Here is the thing, and I want to make this perfectly clear. Anyone who thinks Trump is the bottom of what we have seen in a president to date should be willing to vote for ANYONE other than Trump. It's really not that hard. And sure, people can rationalize their decision but all those rationalizations are flawed excuses for individuals to convince themselves that they don't need to do the right thing:

"but but my guns and my freedoms" - nothing material is going to happen to your freedoms, especially for white males. people feared for 8 years that Obama was going to lock people away in camps and turn us into Soviet Russia, but so far the only person I see trending any of that line (people camps, joking about dictatorship, actively eroding freedoms of people of color) has an R by their name. And with as many republicans that are in congress and any president's desire to get re-elected, nothing major will happen to gun legislation. just give that a rest.

"the dem candidate just isn't progressive enough for me" - again, compare alternatives here. would you say that the candidate is more progressive than the current person in office? The more of your interests are met with any democratic option that is on stage today.

You can vote for Trump or not. You can vote for a democrat or not. But if you want Trump out of office, don't convince yourself that you did anything meaningful to making that happen or took any respectful stand in protecting the values and standing this country has had for so long if you recognize Trump's damage but don't vote for the democrat on ticket.

it is that simple

[Edited on August 22, 2019 at 9:09 AM. Reason : tags]

8/22/2019 9:09:32 AM

are you under the impression that any progressives on this site won't vote for the democratic candidate?

8/22/2019 9:12:48 AM

^^ well said

8/22/2019 9:27:03 AM

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"You had my vote locked up, then gave it away"

This is not even remotely an accurate description of how you've portrayed your potential vote in the past year or so

At least now maybe I can quit reading this stupid plea you keep making that the democratic party pander to you

8/22/2019 9:51:53 AM

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"the dem candidate just isn't progressive enough for me" - again, compare alternatives here. would you say that the candidate is more progressive than the current person in office? The more of your interests are met with any democratic option that is on stage today."

A bigger problem might be people inexplicably mad at Sanders for 2019. I've seen rather prominent people on Twitter still shitting on him pretty hard.

8/22/2019 10:02:14 AM

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"are you under the impression that any progressives on this site won't vote for the democratic candidate?"

@dtownral My rant is about people in general, not just on this site. The first rant did have some direction at theDuke866 but applies to a lot of people out there. The is similar, except not directed at anyone on this site directly, but if there are some with that belief on here I do want them to read it.

8/22/2019 10:35:47 AM

I don't know if this applies to Trump voters as much as to supposed Republican-leaning "Never Trump" voters, but it doesn't make sense from a long-term perspective for Democrats to pander to the anti-Trump centrists who are just going to vote Republican again during subsequent presidential elections - unless the thinking is that, due to demographic changes, those centrist votes will be less consequential during subsequent elections.

8/22/2019 11:27:12 AM

that's the "never trump republicans are bush republicans, what the fuck are we doing" problem

8/22/2019 11:38:05 AM

http://cnu.edu/wasoncenter/2019/07/01-2020-election-forecast/

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"Barring a shock to the system, Democrats recapture the presidency... Trump’s 2016 path to the White House, which was the political equivalent of getting dealt a Royal Flush in poker, is probably not replicable in 2020 with an agitated Democratic electorate. And that is really bad news for Donald Trump because the Blue Wall of the Midwest was then, and is now, the ONLY viable path for Trump to win the White House."

8/22/2019 1:44:24 PM

lol I don't trust nothing

8/22/2019 1:56:06 PM

^^ that kinda talk is what got him in to begin with

This is a cage match not a spelling bee lol

8/22/2019 2:18:51 PM

^^ exactly

8/22/2019 3:02:30 PM

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"I'd agree here that theDuke866 isn't really going to vote for a democrat. I think he'll just not vote for Trump. It's the same action that a lot of republicans took last time in order to act like they tried or took a stance. "

Well yeah, what is there to think? I thought that was pretty clear.

I was going to. I even planned to change my registration to (D) when the time came, assuming they all didn’t DQ themselves from my consideration. I mostly didn’t think Biden would. I figured with two dozen options, one of them would be tolerable. I guess I need to take a closer look now, maybe at Buttiggieg or Yang, but I think they’re both significantly further left, and in any case, I don’t see them really being contenders.

I get it, you can’t appease people like me and the Dem base. Just understand that you can offer me what I find at least palatable, or I won’t fucking vote for you. Don’t act like I’m the bad guy for that.

8/22/2019 9:34:13 PM

are guns your number 1 issue?

8/22/2019 9:41:56 PM

No, but those proposals are dealbreakers.

8/22/2019 10:27:05 PM

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"I was going to I even planned to"

Lotta talk.

No action.

[Edited on August 22, 2019 at 11:44 PM. Reason : kinda your modus operandi tbh]

8/22/2019 11:43:03 PM

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"theDuke866 isn't really going to vote for a democrat. I think he'll just not vote for Trump"

Which is exactly what he did in 2016.

8/22/2019 11:45:29 PM

[Edited on August 22, 2019 at 11:48 PM. Reason : whoops, I forgot to post this under my new StTexan account]

8/22/2019 11:47:48 PM

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"are you under the impression that any progressives on this site won't vote for the democratic candidate?"

That is the impression you give me after reading some of your posts. I hope the democrat candidate in 2020 is progressive enough for you, and doesn’t alienate enough people to reelect Trump.

8/22/2019 11:54:20 PM

^^^, ^^^^ I cannot stand this implication that I owe my vote to anyone. Nobody is even remotely courting my vote; why would I be expected to vote for them?

8/23/2019 12:20:24 AM

You owed your vote to not helping elect Trump.

and you failed.

[Edited on August 23, 2019 at 12:25 AM. Reason : yada yada yada you thought hillary had already won yada yada yada]

8/23/2019 12:24:10 AM

^^ https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_enemy_of_my_enemy_is_my_friend

8/23/2019 12:37:17 AM

^^ I do not and did not owe anything.

[Edited on August 23, 2019 at 12:48 AM. Reason : ]

8/23/2019 12:47:48 AM

And for that line in the sand we have our current POTUS

8/23/2019 12:52:25 AM

It's funny you once signed up to give your life for your country, but now you can't even give a vote for your country because of a theoretical fear over "gun rights".

8/23/2019 1:00:04 AM

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"You owed your vote to not helping elect Trump."

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8/23/2019 1:06:36 AM

Haha... hardcore Americans in here willing to [continue] destroy[ing] their country.

Love it!

Carry on!

P.S. And the world, as what America does affects the whole planet to a great extent. But they (America/Americans) never really cared about that part (world), so you would think they would at least give a damn about their country and fellow citizens...? But, what do I know?!

P.P.S. Carry on carrying on

8/23/2019 7:38:01 AM

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" Just understand that you can offer me what I find at least palatable, or I won’t fucking vote for you. Don’t act like I’m the bad guy for that."

Listen, theDuke866 and listen closely -

That attitude and course of action is actually the perfect example of why the position you're taking lacks substance and has no real commitment. Bad guy may be a stretch, but I can certainly say that you're not doing your country any favors. The options aren't theoretical, such as what would happen in the world of these make believe gun proposals that candidates are suggesting. Quite to the contrary, the options are quite clear. We can either continue on the clearly detrimental path of Trump, which you claim to despise, that weakens the long term stability of the republic and several areas in the global realm, or we can elect someone far more stable for the world at large.

That shouldn't be a hard choice to make. It certainly shouldn't be a hard choice to make for someone who actively acknowledges how badly Trump runs our country. If you actively believe that any democrat is worse for our country than Trump is, then just say those words and we can all move the fuck on. You can stop pretending that you'll ever change your registration or even something much less drastic as doing a one time hold your nose and vote and myself and others can stop pointing out how your words and your planned actions don't align.

But this in between, and I mean fucking A man, this in between where you speak like you want to do something about it, then act like it's Democrats at fault for not courting your vote outside of showing that they're clearly better for this country than what we have today, and your implicit willingness to make the same mistakes as last time that, when applied at a large scale, is massively responsible for us needing to have this conversation in the first place is pathetic.

[Edited on August 23, 2019 at 9:35 AM. Reason : .]

8/23/2019 9:32:19 AM

The fact that the liberals in this thread think they are owed somebody's vote just for existing, and not because they have done anything to deserve it, is the greatest summation of liberal thinking today.

8/23/2019 9:51:45 AM

^^ I'm pretty sure that he feels that an Elizabeth Warren presidency, for example, is a greater evil than the continuation of the Donald Trump presidency.

One reason that he's provided in the past is that we would only have to endure four more years of the Donald Trump presidency, whereas we would potentially have to endure eight years of an Elizabeth Warren presidency.

[Edited on August 23, 2019 at 9:57 AM. Reason : ]

8/23/2019 9:55:09 AM

Elizabeth Warrens voice is really aggravating.

8/23/2019 10:29:58 AM

Chit Chat

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-claim-doctors-treating-mass-082200875.html

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"Two hospitals have denied Donald Trump’s claim doctors “were coming out of operating rooms” to meet him when he travelled to Texas and Ohio to console victims of two mass shootings. "At no time did, or would, physicians or staff leave active operating rooms during the presidential visit,” University Medical Center (UMC) spokesperson Ryan Mielke told local TV station KVIA. “Our priority is always patient care." Mr Mielke’s statement came after the US president, apparently angered by reports some victims refused to meet him earlier this month, lashed out on Wednesday at the media and claimed victims and their families actually “love our president”. “When I went to Dayton and when I went to El Paso, and I went into those hospitals, the love for me – and ‘me’ maybe as the representative of the country – but for me, and my love for them was unparalleled, these are incredible people,” Mr Trump said. “But if you read the papers, it was like nobody would meet with me. Not only did they meet with me, they were pouring out of the rooms. The doctors were coming out of the operating rooms. There were hundreds and hundreds of people all over the floor, you couldn’t even walk on it, so, you know there’s a lot to happen.” Ben Sutherly, a spokesperson for Miami Valley Hospital in Dayton, Ohio, told The Washington Post: "Our physicians and staff at no time leave an active operating room, procedural area or patient room to greet anyone." The president visited the Dayton hospital after a gunman killed 10 people outside a bar just hours following the El Paso attack. Mr Trump’s assertion he was "loved" was in stark contrast to a statement at the time by UMC, which said some victims “didn’t want to meet with the president” in the aftermath of the El Paso shooting, which left 22 people dead. Mr Trump did, however, meet with some victims already discharged by the facility, including a two-month-old baby who was made an orphan after his parents were killed in the massacre. The 73-year-old caused widespread anger when he was photographed grinning and giving a thumbs up while alongside the child."

8/23/2019 10:30:42 AM

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"liberals in this thread think they are owed somebody's vote just for existing,"

No one thinks that. People do think that if people think that Trump is the bottom of the barrell, then their vote should reflect that. People do think that if you we can do worse than Trump and our options are that way, then let your words reflect that, rather than acting like you're taking a stand against Trump to absolve some moral guilt you have about doing so.

But no one, absolutely zero people, have said the vote is owed. The entire thing is about being consistent with what you believe. However, given the policies that conservatives are supporting as part of the Trump presidency, I can understand why conservatives would take issue with consistency of belief. So I apologize if that is asking for a lot.

8/23/2019 10:40:14 AM

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"The fact that the liberals in this thread think they are owed somebody's vote just for existing, and not because they have done anything to deserve it, is the greatest summation of liberal thinking today."

Weirdly, the fact you think liberals think this, is the greatest summation of conservative thinking today.

8/23/2019 11:50:07 AM

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"I'm pretty sure that he feels that an Elizabeth Warren presidency, for example, is a greater evil than the continuation of the Donald Trump presidency."

Yeah he's said many times he'd prefer 4 more year of Trump instead of one of the lefter leaning candidates like warren or sanders (but i'm sure the list is longer than those 2).

He's very consistent about this point.

8/23/2019 12:02:48 PM

"well at least i know what im getting with trump."

8/23/2019 12:04:16 PM

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"Weirdly, the fact you think liberals think this, is the greatest summation of conservative thinking today."

It's literally stated above.

8/23/2019 12:30:58 PM

care to quote it?

8/23/2019 12:43:08 PM

i never understood how republicans think democratic candidates are dangerous...or that theyre scared of the thought of a country led by a democrat.

seems like pussy shit.

whats scary about NOT having kids in cages and NOT fucking the environment and NOT fucking over tons of people to make a buck?

8/23/2019 2:15:41 PM

Haven't you heard of..... SOCIALISM!!!?/

(and getting your guns took)

8/23/2019 2:34:21 PM

I'm not sure what theDuke thinks is going to happen if Bernie wins. None of his policies are any more radical than what already exists in many European countries.

8/23/2019 2:38:56 PM

Bernie wont win tho

8/23/2019 4:22:10 PM

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"One reason that he's provided in the past is that we would only have to endure four more years of the Donald Trump presidency, whereas we would potentially have to endure eight years of an Elizabeth Warren presidency. "

That, and at least he’s incompetent and flubs enacting a lot of his shitty policies, along with much of the government treating him as only half-legitimate, and resisting him a little more than a normal President.

Also, I think the GOP is completely rotten, and Trump being a 1-term President is not something they will learn from. My hope is that if the Dems run left and then lose to a widely loathed dipshit like Trump, maybe they will reevaluate.

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And no, nobody has said “you owe the Dems your vote no matter how much you loath them, and no matter how much they disregard you in favor of other constituencies”, but that is absolutely the implication of what several people just in this thread are saying.

[Edited on August 23, 2019 at 7:22 PM. Reason : ]

[Edited on August 23, 2019 at 7:24 PM. Reason : don’t necessarily fault the Dems, but the choice has a consequence-people like me not voting for you]

8/23/2019 7:20:18 PM

So the escalating destruction and damage caused by Trump's incompetence is worth it to.... teach Republicans a lesson?

8/23/2019 8:35:13 PM

Reading comprehension, please.

8/23/2019 8:36:50 PM