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"what happened to sadlacks staying open in some of the new space that's going to be built?"

announcement on their move should be coming soon

8/21/2013 1:48:47 PM

the state capitol

8/22/2013 12:01:28 AM

^^

Quote :

"@TriangleFoodGuy Getting word that Sadlacks has a new location identified. Details to work out. Stay tuned."

8/23/2013 11:07:00 AM

yep

it's been in the works for a while now, but they're just now finalizing it

8/23/2013 11:20:36 AM

In which we learn that @TriangleFoodGuy gets news tips from TWW

8/23/2013 11:31:23 AM

ha

that'd be pretty great

but he may have #sources as well

8/23/2013 12:35:34 PM

http://packapalooza.ncsu.edu/

Tomorrow! 2pm-10pm

8/23/2013 3:28:15 PM

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"We’re proud to announce that American Idol – and NC State sophomore – Scotty McCreery will perform a song with Chancellor Randy Woodson and head football coach Dave Doeren between 5 and 6 p.m. on the Belltower Stage."

Oh lord.

Kooley High though...

8/23/2013 4:27:28 PM

he's singing the "Red and White" song with coach and chancellor, then leaving the stage

8/23/2013 4:38:21 PM

Scotty's only singing one song.

8/23/2013 5:00:21 PM

and i don't really know much about Mutemath, but dang if they didn't put on a hell of a performance

the students went nuts

http://youtu.be/uS-DMtpgCTM?t=12m

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[Edited on August 26, 2013 at 9:49 PM. Reason : +]

8/26/2013 9:42:32 PM

I can't hear his voice without thinking of Bojangles after all those damn radio ads.

Anyone see Kooley High? I was off elsewhere.

8/27/2013 1:11:59 AM

http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/09/23/3221246/berkeley-cafe-to-reopen-under.html
Sadlack's lives.

9/23/2013 10:34:33 AM

^JEAH!!!!!!!!

9/23/2013 10:43:12 AM

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"In the meantime, the Berkeley is open for lunch through Friday. Saturday night, Blomquist will call it quits with what he’s calling an “alcohol reduction sale."

9/23/2013 10:48:35 AM

Cameron Village:

http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/09/22/3219289/new-apartment-construction-brings.html?utm_content=buffer48559&utm_source=buffer&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Buffer

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"The newcomers will have new places to shop as well. Crescent’s first-floor storefronts will include a steak and seafood restaurant called Faire, as well as Brixx Pizza, Benelux Coffee and Flywheel Sports."

9/23/2013 11:15:59 AM

I have high hopes for Sadlack's but gotta wonder if they will stay afloat after dumping money into a gut-and-reconfigure on that space.

9/23/2013 3:24:30 PM

First they run the homeless out of Moore Square, then they run the hippies out of Nash Square.

9/23/2013 5:53:24 PM

^^^this thread is about Hillsborough Street Revitalization, not Oberlin Road Ruining.

9/23/2013 7:02:08 PM

those condos apartments are atrocious

[Edited on September 23, 2013 at 10:24 PM. Reason : tomato tomato]

9/23/2013 10:24:14 PM

Has anyone been to The Keg next to Two Guys Pizza? I saw that it has "24 craft beers on tap!!!" during the game on Thursday night, but also noticed it was pretty empty.

9/23/2013 11:46:36 PM

To be fair, I never heard anyone talk about how great Oberlin Rd is before the new construction started.

9/24/2013 12:18:16 AM

Oberlin now >>>>>>> Oberlin before

the new apartments/condos are fantastic and are going to do great things for the area around them

9/24/2013 8:45:18 AM

I would have to disagree. If you exclude asthetic butchering given they architectural monstrosities, from the complete lack of scale to the improper distance from the road from even the brick and roof choice, I see limited good things coming to the places around it.

Cameron Village is already a nightmare and this won't make the crowding there any better. Likewise, the streets there are not prepared for the additional cars without causing added congestion and I am not certain how much business will be driven to Cameron village restraunts and bars, since the presumably younger demographic will likely head to Glenwood or downtown and drive when they do it.

What advantages do you see?

9/24/2013 9:09:59 AM

Cameron Village is a nightmare? What's your definition of nightmare? If it's "Parking is tight at Christmastime" or "Sometimes at rush hour I have to wait through 1 cycle at a stoplight" then I agree it's a nightmare but those aren't the sort of things that usually haunt people in their sleep.

Crabtree Valley is much worse. Parts of Crossroads are too. So is Brier Creek, especially on the Walmart side. Cameron Village is a pleasant stroll in the park by comparison.

Apartments don't really contribute that much traffic compared to retail. All these people living there means more people to frequent CV and Hillsborough St area stores and restaurants - but they are likely to go on foot, instead of taking up parking spaces, or contributing to vehicular traffic.

[Edited on September 24, 2013 at 10:25 AM. Reason : editing]

9/24/2013 10:18:41 AM

You're missing two key points.

1) work. Rent there is $1500 list for a single bedroom, meaning these people will have jobs and need to go to work. The likelihood of even a healthy fraction if those living there is low.

2) Demographics. Those living there aren't likely to retail shop in Cameron village, at least not primarily. Cameron Village is built for an older demographic than those living in the new apartments ( I am using oberlin court and the Camden apartments across charlotte as a baseline for the resident demographic btw). This means individuals living in those units are likey to shop/dine elsewhere and will need to drive to do so.

Yes, the area is dense but that doesn't necessarily mean that it will generate an explosion of foot traffic in place of or without creating substantial impact on the roads.

9/24/2013 10:33:07 AM

its one of the best shopping centers in the country, its not a nightmare

and the apartment scale and setback is correct

[Edited on September 24, 2013 at 11:04 AM. Reason : and your CV demographics are way off]

9/24/2013 11:04:14 AM

They are very likely to grocery shop at Cameron Village, and will probably prefer to walk rather than drive given the proximity of the Teeter.

Also, traffic generated by apartments from the people who live there going to work is small compared to the amount of traffic generated by office or retail developments. So even if most of the residents work elsewhere, it's not going to make traffic that much worse.

9/24/2013 11:19:38 AM

they are also in the process of doing a traffic study for that area for future improvements

(but everyone will protest when they suggest adding a roundabout)

9/24/2013 11:35:18 AM

http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/09/22/3219289/new-apartment-construction-brings.html

i was unaware that upon its opening in 1949, Cameron Village was the first shopping center between Washington and Atlanta.

[Edited on September 24, 2013 at 1:04 PM. Reason : ]

9/24/2013 1:04:22 PM

there is only one option...reopen fosters

9/24/2013 6:35:36 PM

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"its one of the best shopping centers in the country, its not a nightmare and the apartment scale and setback is correct [Edited on September 24, 2013 at 11:04 AM. Reason : and your CV demographics are way off]"

Off what are you basing any of this information? One of the best in the country? By what statistic, which categories and from what (recent) sources? Are you referring to parking? If not, how does that relate to the nightmare I described? I clearly wasn't suggesting it is dilapidated.

Apartment scale and setback are correct? For the size of that building the set back is definitely not proportional, especially given that there are two such tall buildings across from one another. Scale for buildings is not just for the building itself but also in reference to the buildings around it, with which these new apartments do not match. It's about flow and balance of design. Those buildings lack both. Ask any architect and I suspect they will tell you the same. [user]Arcboyyyeee[/user] is one and I'd like to hear his opinion on the matter.

My demographics are incorrect? First, regarding it being a nightmare, have you ever been there midday, parking is next to non-existent around lunch, especially around the holidays. What demographic data are you using regarding those who shop at Cameron Village. I personally lived there for 7 years but if you have some better source then I would like to see it. The stores say it all: Talbots, Mattress Store, Accipter, Fair trade shop and variety of other stores that are furniture or dress boutique related is that a demographic that can afford it and shop for it throughout the day (read: this suggests not 18-25yo) is the main demographic there.

Regarding shopping at harris teeter, yes, i agree those people will walk and shop at harris teeter, which is why i have left that out of the discussion. The walking is a good thing, especially since the parking lot is a nightmare at key shopping hours. However, the inside is already crowded enough and adding the additional shoppers there will be annoying, although not game changing.

edit: based on the article the city and YIMBYs suggest bus transit is what will prevent traffic issues. Given the under utilization of the R-line, I don't see that being the case.



[Edited on September 24, 2013 at 7:59 PM. Reason : facts]

9/24/2013 7:49:54 PM

the height doesn't exceed the standard for the district, and a setback would make it look bad.

9/24/2013 8:05:57 PM

also i think they're about to build two more of those things around there, so eventually there will be other buildings their size joining them

9/24/2013 9:04:02 PM

I'm looking forward to the new apartment buildings going up and I live a block away from them. I already only use my car 3-4 days a week and not heavily even on those days.

I think it all comes down to what you want the new area to be. If you want it to be a driver's paradise with ample parking day or night, like Geppetto, you will be disappointed. If, however, you are a progressive city dweller who realizes they're in the 21st century, you're probably excited because you know added density brings lots of benefits with it as well.

Until the City of Raleigh starts botching a lot of these projects I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. And as a resident and someone who's worked at multiple businesses on Hillsborough St., the added population is where we're going to find growth.

9/24/2013 10:18:55 PM

I don't understand why Gepetto cares, he's not leaving his North Raleigh suburb to come down to CV anyways

9/25/2013 9:11:14 AM

99% of Raleigh is still typical sprawl development, so I don't see why people can't just let those who don't want to live in that kind of environment have the style of living they want.

9/25/2013 10:23:44 AM

And as it continues to develop further, there will always be Knightdale, Garner, Wake Forest, Apex, and Cary in the immediate surroundings. Cary is never going to develop out of being a suburb.

9/25/2013 10:53:22 AM

Okay now, lest I be lumped in with a crowd to which I do not belong, let me explain why I consider this "Oberlin Road Ruining"...

I'm not anti-density. Far from it. I think mixed-use is the way to go in/near the urban core and I'd love to see a less car-centric mentality. The neighborhood I live in now (Museum District in Richmond) is a very walkable neighborhood and I love it. I also used to live near Cameron Village and found it incriedibly convenient. My beef with the new buildings is threefold:

-One, they're ugly. Uninspired design, poor material choices, and the fact that they are going to turn that not particularly wide block of Oberlin into something of a canyon is my primary issue. They may be within zoning regulations, and I agree that setbacks won't solve the problem, but they're just taller than they ought to be given the existing scale of the area. Plus, architecturally, you could do so much better than this generic look.

-Two, I don't think the roads can handle the increased traffic. Even if the demographics of CV start to shift (and while the stores may not be youth-focused in general, you do have a nice number of restaurants, Rite Aid, and Teeter) people are still going to drive. Please name a road that leads out of the CV area that's more than two lanes. Just one. Nope, can't do it, there aren't any. Yes, roads can be widened, but that's always time-consuming and, in many cases, impractical. Widen Oberlin connecting to Wade? Well that would be logical, but you're going to have to knock down so many houses and a handful of businesses that it's going to be a total clusterfuck. They're trying to lessen through trafffic on Hillsborough in the first place. Good luck trying to widen Clark either--you might be able to four-lane it to St. Mary's and then widen that going out to Wade, but that's a lot of distance, a lot of trees, a lot of diminished lawns and a lot of parking gone.

-Three, and my personal favorite, they knocked down two of the better mid-century modern buildings in the city to build these bland boxes. Granted, the siting on the Ballantine's building was pretty terrible--narrow end facing Oberlin, unattractive backside to the majority of CV, front elevation obscured by the ill-advised corner building--but it was really wonderful. And 401 Oberlin considerately hid its parking behind the building and presented that corner with something that, while it didn't engage all that well with the sidewalk, had a clear, functional front entrance and looked damn fantastic. This may not matter to some people but it matters to me. The argument can be made that density and traffic trump preservation, but I personally think it's shortsighted to call them mutually exclusive.

9/25/2013 11:44:17 AM

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"Two, I don't think the roads can handle the increased traffic. Even if the demographics of CV start to shift (and while the stores may not be youth-focused in general, you do have a nice number of restaurants, Rite Aid, and Teeter) people are still going to drive. Please name a road that leads out of the CV area that's more than two lanes. Just one. Nope, can't do it, there aren't any. Yes, roads can be widened, but that's always time-consuming and, in many cases, impractical. Widen Oberlin connecting to Wade? Well that would be logical, but you're going to have to knock down so many houses and a handful of businesses that it's going to be a total clusterfuck. They're trying to lessen through trafffic on Hillsborough in the first place. Good luck trying to widen Clark either--you might be able to four-lane it to St. Mary's and then widen that going out to Wade, but that's a lot of distance, a lot of trees, a lot of diminished lawns and a lot of parking gone."

I don't really have much disagreement with your other two points, but this one I do take major issue with. Increased traffic is in my opinion a horrible reason to reject development and part of the reason we got into this whole mess in the first place. Road widening, in addition to running counter to the whole idea of trying to make the area a better pedestrian environment, does not actually improve congestion in the long run. It's one of the great myths of transportation planning. Quite frankly though I just don't see why we should even be worried about increased traffic. It's a sign of economic vitality and the people who truly get fed up with it will find other ways to get around. The type of people who move into these sort of developments generally already have the mindset that they would like to reduce their car dependence.

9/25/2013 11:55:39 AM

I'm just going to address those points one-by-one. I think they're opinions so I'm not saying you're right or I'm right, I'm just expressing them.

1) I don't really know what the buildings are going to look like yet. I've seen some previews and some drawings and whatnot but I just don't know. I think it's unrealistic to expect every building to be unique and aesthetically perfect though and I don't know what the people who give this complaint expect. Could you provide an example of something that's to your liking? And there are several multi-story buildings already from Clark on up to Wade. You've got 801 Oberlin, 702 Oberlin, 1009 Wade, 1028 Oberlin. Buildings of this height are not really that new. 401 Oberlin was multi-story already and so was one of the buildings that went down on the other side of the street for that new building. Plus, you've got the Peace St. apartments on the other side of CV. So the height isn't as outrageous as you claim.

2) The roads may become a problem. But that remains to be seen. I think anyone who has spent a lot of time driving through CV will tell you that one of the biggest problems is the light sequencing for traffic is pretty poor. I think that can be re-done to more optimal levels because right now it seems like every single street in and around CV is geared to slow traffic down as much as possible. Putting a center turning lane on Oberlin would might help traffic there and I think Daniels St. is a little underutilized right now. That terrible design at Wade Ave. probably needs to be re-done. Ultimately though, a lot of the people living at these new buildings are going to be biking into downtown for work and walking to CV and Hillsborough St. for retail in the future or riding the light-rail if/when that happens.

3) I thought that 401 Oberlin was hideous. It was dull and boring and I'm not going to miss it at all. I'll admit that I'm not that educated on architecture but I did not think it was appealing to the eye. It's entire image made me think of late 60's, early 70's dim-lighted office building. Kind of like that building downtown that was covered up by the terrible facade that came down recently. Just way too industrial and lifelessly utilitarian. Plus it was full of under-leased offices. As for the other building, I can't even remember what it looked like which pretty much tells you all you need to know. All I can remember is that gas station which was never occupied since I moved to Raleigh in 2006. Will not miss either of them.

These new buildings are going to bring in a young, forward-thinking group of people with money to spend. It's going to breathe some much needed new life into the neighborhood.

9/25/2013 12:21:29 PM

^^Wasn't aware of the lack of efficacy of widening, good to know, and you do have a point that the people who move into these sorts of developments have a better mindset regarding traffic. But, without better mass transit in the area (not happening anytime soon, thanks local and state gov't) people are still going to need to drive to get to work. If they work downtown then increased bus service would do the trick (assuming you can get them to ride and not fall into the "bus is for poor people" mindset), but if they work anywhere else (like RTP), morning and evening traffic is going to be an issue.

[Edited on September 25, 2013 at 12:26 PM. Reason : r]

9/25/2013 12:25:45 PM

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"Three, and my personal favorite, they knocked down two of the better mid-century modern buildings in the city to build these bland boxes"

they tried to sell or lease them for a long time, no one wanted to buy them. they had dated floor plans and would have required extensive abatement (asbestos and mold) and an expensive refit to be valuable, it was simply too expensive for anyone to want. so it wasn't an option between restored mid-century modern buildings and what we are going to get now, the other option was buildings that were slowly falling apart and in need of renovation that sat largely vacant until eventually the inevitable happened and they were torn down.

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"But, without better mass transit in the area (not happening anytime soon, thanks local and state gov't) people are still going to need to drive to get to work. If they work downtown then increased bus service would do the trick (assuming you can get them to ride and not fall into the "bus is for poor people" mindset), but if they work anywhere else (like RTP), morning and evening traffic is going to be an issue."

and by increasing density in the area you increase the chance that people can find jobs nearby. expanding outward just removes that chance while still increasing congestion.

[Edited on September 25, 2013 at 12:34 PM. Reason : .]

9/25/2013 12:33:41 PM

^^^I can give a more educated reply on point 1 later. I don't know the buildings by number and I can't look them all up while at work. Addressed the roads in my previous reply. As to point 3, we can agree to disagree, mid century modern is certainly not to everyone's liking and I did mention the "front" of the Ballantine's building was pretty much hidden from view. But I'll just bring up that sometimes architectural styles that have fallen out of disfavor in the short term "redeem themselves" given a longer viewpoint--look how many victorians were demolished in the 50's through 70's. And, 9 times out of 10, we'd love to have those back now. I think we're making the same mistakes with MCM in the present.

[Edited on September 25, 2013 at 12:38 PM. Reason : r]

9/25/2013 12:38:09 PM

I think there is still a huge audience for MCM architecture, its just that these two examples were in poor condition and would not have been worth it to save

its one thing to abate in preparation for demolition, its another thing entirely to abate and restore

[Edited on September 25, 2013 at 12:47 PM. Reason : .]

9/25/2013 12:46:37 PM

as much as i hate to see some of the msm stuff go down, some of the new buildings going up around Raleigh are still following in the modern footsteps... Hunt Library and the Talley Student Union come to mind (since I'm on campus every day)

i know neither one of those is for housing, tho

9/25/2013 6:40:54 PM

http://goodnightraleigh.com/2012/09/401-oberlin-demolished-with-it-a-ghost-of-the-cold-war/

9/25/2013 6:44:57 PM

Hunt Library is beautiful. I think that new hotel they're going to build on Hillsborough St. has some MCM elements to it as well.

9/25/2013 6:49:12 PM

The issue I have with the Oberlin apartments is just how tall they are/how close they are to the road. Just makes that area look like some kind of ravine.

Quote :

"Has anyone been to The Keg next to Two Guys Pizza? I saw that it has "24 craft beers on tap!!!" during the game on Thursday night, but also noticed it was pretty empty."

Been there a few times. Good beer, but the only time it is ever crowded is on hike nights. There's been once or twice on a random weekend when I've seen it, and the Alley, unbelievably packed, but that's been over the last 1.5 years or so that its been open. Its fine, just doesn't offer much of anything EV or PR doesn't have.

9/26/2013 1:24:56 AM

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"-Three, and my personal favorite, they knocked down two of the better mid-century modern buildings in the city to build these bland boxes. Granted, the siting on the Ballantine's building was pretty terrible--narrow end facing Oberlin, unattractive backside to the majority of CV, front elevation obscured by the ill-advised corner building--but it was really wonderful. And 401 Oberlin considerately hid its parking behind the building and presented that corner with something that, while it didn't engage all that well with the sidewalk, had a clear, functional front entrance and looked damn fantastic. This may not matter to some people but it matters to me. The argument can be made that density and traffic trump preservation, but I personally think it's shortsighted to call them mutually exclusive."

I've driven past those buildings hundreds of times (if not more) and I honestly cannot even recall what they looked like.

9/26/2013 9:35:38 AM