horosho Suspended 2001 Posts user info edit post |
Stop assuming "democrats" and "leftists" mean the same thing. Then it will make sense. Sure theres some overlap, but the typical democrat is not a "leftist" even though almost all of them identify as "progressive". 12/19/2019 4:36:27 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
Yang’s best performance so far 12/19/2019 8:14:29 PM |
horosho Suspended 2001 Posts user info edit post |
inb4 Yang is labeled a Russian for his impeachment response. 12/19/2019 8:15:04 PM |
horosho Suspended 2001 Posts user info edit post |
[Edited on December 19, 2019 at 8:38 PM. Reason : nvm ima stop]
12/19/2019 8:35:50 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
Yang needs to interject more, so does Amy. 12/19/2019 9:29:09 PM |
horosho Suspended 2001 Posts user info edit post |
Debates need competent moderators. Stop letting Pete always get the last word and go back and forth for the entire debate.
[Edited on December 19, 2019 at 9:45 PM. Reason : the questions are all trap questions for warren and bernie. "why should millionaires get free school] 12/19/2019 9:44:30 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
The other candidates need to just be better. If peter is able to muscle his way in that’s a demonstration of competency 12/19/2019 9:46:13 PM |
horosho Suspended 2001 Posts user info edit post |
they are literally asking questions straight from his ads. 12/19/2019 9:47:00 PM |
TreeTwista10 minisoldr 148441 Posts user info edit post |
I haven't heard this many old white people arguing with each other since ___________ 12/19/2019 10:13:17 PM |
horosho Suspended 2001 Posts user info edit post |
Yesterday? 12/19/2019 10:13:44 PM |
qntmfred retired 40726 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "The other candidates need to just be better. If peter is able to muscle his way in that’s a demonstration of competency" |
is it really though?? in your own professional life, do you find the people who butt in and talk over others the most competent?
[Edited on December 19, 2019 at 10:16 PM. Reason : would like to hear more from Yang regardless, but an extra 5 minutes ain't squat.]12/19/2019 10:15:18 PM |
horosho Suspended 2001 Posts user info edit post |
"hey guys we're almost out of time so let me end this productive debate about healthcare policy and move to a completely pointless game to waste the little time we do have left. "
[Edited on December 19, 2019 at 10:18 PM. Reason : the media is the worst]
[Edited on December 19, 2019 at 10:21 PM. Reason : ^It takes yang 3 debates to speak as long as Pete did tonight] 12/19/2019 10:17:53 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
^^
They are rarely the most competent I guess but they are the people who get selected for leadership and management positions very often. The squeaky wheel gets the grease as they say 12/19/2019 10:21:17 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
Yang focusing on rising depression and suicide juxtaposed against stable economic metrics is a good strategy. 12/19/2019 10:31:28 PM |
horosho Suspended 2001 Posts user info edit post |
I have an anger meter that seems to explode after every debate and it makes me ready to move out of this god forsaken country. They asked the most rigged, bogus questions and set traps that made it impossible for Bernie to respond. They asked questions directly from Pete's ads and questions about identity politics. They directly asked Pete questions that apply directly to his campaign (easy to answer) and then asked bernie impossible trash like 'so obama says old white men are keeping women out of power, what do you have to say about that? '
Then they come out after the debate with pundits talking about how unprepared bernie was.
What really makes me mad is how well-meaning moderate liberals see this and yet they are silent across the board. I would feel a lot better if they just fessed up and said ,"i like biden but have to admit the whole system is against bernie" .Instead, they bury their heads in the sand and let the media get away with this bullshit. Or worse, they decide to gaslight the left as being paranoid about media conspiracy all while completely ignoring their stake in the profits ripping off the working class.
Then they act puzzled when Trump dominates them in the same game. I'm just about done with the whole thing. Then its just a matter of finding a Scandanavian or Oceanianic country to live out the rest of the life life in a healthy environment. 12/20/2019 12:03:13 AM |
shoot All American 7611 Posts user info edit post |
For the January 14th debate, Big 4(Biden, Sanders, Warren, Pete) are already qualified. Amy's surprisingly qualified as well. Yang and Steyer are still struggling. Only 3.5 weeks left, and less than 2 weeks after the new year begins. So pretty urgent already. 12/20/2019 4:20:37 PM |
horosho Suspended 2001 Posts user info edit post |
Side note. Yang had an after debate party on the of my building and they were chanting late into the night. I'm not mad but just confused about why they were so celebratory. 12/21/2019 12:59:06 PM |
qntmfred retired 40726 Posts user info edit post |
he had a good night. once again, he said the most with least amount of time given. the establishment media might still not take him seriously, but the American people are hearing his message and it's resonating
[Edited on December 21, 2019 at 2:25 PM. Reason : fwiw Pete had the highest favorability bump (+3.3) after the 5th debate and saw a 3-4% bump. ] 12/21/2019 2:14:38 PM |
rwoody Save TWW 37695 Posts user info edit post |
Snl biased against the little guy Tom steyer 12/22/2019 11:14:21 AM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
weird that horosho isn't blasting SNL for that 12/23/2019 8:26:59 AM |
daaave Suspended 1331 Posts user info edit post |
https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/475576-obama-talks-up-warren-behind-closed-doors-to-wealthy-donors?amp 12/23/2019 8:45:50 AM |
rwoody Save TWW 37695 Posts user info edit post |
That's great. Hopefully he expands his efforts to some state races as well since he dropped the ball pretty badly there during his presidency. 12/23/2019 11:46:27 AM |
horosho Suspended 2001 Posts user info edit post |
Why is it weird? I don't watch SNL unless someone sends a link or mention. I see they managed to work in Kamala. Nothing comes close to how bad . they did AOC. Good thing liberals can't be sexist or racist. 12/23/2019 12:57:45 PM |
bdmazur ?? ????? ?? 14957 Posts user info edit post |
Finally got around to watching the PBS debate. A few reactions:
Both the moderators and the analysts who spoke during breaks are so afraid of Warren and Sanders. They praised Klobuchar and Buttigieg for the same things they bashed these two for (ways they answer questions, ways they interact with each other, etc). They do not want anyone to see them favorably and the bias is gross...and no different than any other debate so far this primary season.
I don't dislike Tom Steyer, even though I thought I would. I thought he did well and stayed grounded despite his great personal wealth. I don't want him to be president, and I don't like how he bought his way into the field, but I'm glad he's on our side and he seems like a very intelligent and supportive individual.
I don't understand how you can confuse Tom Steyer and Andrew Yang. That was ridiculous.
Klobuchar is just making things up about the midwest. Minnesota is not representative of the rest of the region, nor is it as much a flyover as Iowa, Nebraska the Dakotas, etc. Minneapolis/St Paul is the 16th largest metro population in the country and Minnesota has double digit electoral votes. She also said Minnesota was Hillary's smallest margin of victory...it was second smallest, which at first seems not like a big deal, but her margin % was nearly five times that of her margin in New Hampshire, and her popular vote margin in Minnesota was twice that of Nevada and Maine.
Side thought...Trump won four states by a smaller % margin, representing 75 electoral votes. , than Hillary won in Minnesota. That's just how ridiculous that election was, and why the Democrats need to get out of the panic mode they've been in since then and start reconnecting with real people.
Other than Buttigieg's clash with Warren, this was the most respect I've seen the candidates show each other...except also Klobuchar's strange way of making everything sound like a snide backhanded compliment. "Well, my colleagues may disagree, but in Minnesota...(insert statement that is almost an exact rehashing of something someone else already said)." 12/24/2019 1:54:07 AM |
qntmfred retired 40726 Posts user info edit post |
what the actual fuck
https://theintercept.com/2019/12/24/mike-bloomberg-2020-prison-labor/
[Edited on December 24, 2019 at 1:03 PM. Reason : ] 12/24/2019 1:02:45 PM |
qntmfred retired 40726 Posts user info edit post |
https://twitter.com/schwartzbCNBC/status/1210599494976450565
Quote : | "Elizabeth Warren's campaign sounds the alarm as fundraising pace slows about 30% in fourth quarter. The campaign told supporters in an email that, so far, they've only raised just over $17 million in Q4" |
looks like Yang is on track to be the only candidate who grew their donations every quarter in 2019. he may even end up outpacing Warren's total in Q4.
[Edited on December 27, 2019 at 1:09 PM. Reason : really looking forward to seeing the year end FEC reports]12/27/2019 12:30:24 PM |
0EPII1 All American 42541 Posts user info edit post |
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/12/27/democrats-need-to-accept-these-3-truths-to-beat-trump-in-2020.html
hmmm... 12/28/2019 6:15:24 AM |
bdmazur ?? ????? ?? 14957 Posts user info edit post |
^I don't accept the premise for any of those three. The author of the article seems to have confused internet mouthpieces with the candidates themselves. Other than the one example listed from Pete, I don't think any of these candidates have those issues. 12/28/2019 9:29:38 AM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
The Warren's dad janitor vs maintenance story is dumb 12/28/2019 10:11:22 AM |
thegoodlife3 All American 39304 Posts user info edit post |
is it a story anywhere other than Fox News?
I’ve only seen the screengrab from one of their shows 12/28/2019 10:49:55 AM |
rwoody Save TWW 37695 Posts user info edit post |
@gelliotmorris
Quote : | "Which Democratic voters are potentially the most disloyal? Here's the percentage of each candidate's base who say they'll vote Dem in the 2020 general:
Warren: 97 Steyer: 96 Biden: 94 Klobuchar: 93 Buttigieg: 92 Sanders: 87 Bloomberg: 82 Booker: 80 Yang: 73 ... Gabbard: 15" |
12/28/2019 12:59:36 PM |
horosho Suspended 2001 Posts user info edit post |
So basically a list of who panders the most. 12/28/2019 2:50:42 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
galaxy brain take 12/28/2019 3:48:35 PM |
horosho Suspended 2001 Posts user info edit post |
https://www.thedailybeast.com/joe-biden-says-hed-be-open-to-picking-a-republican-running-mate How dumb is the typical democrat?
[Edited on December 30, 2019 at 10:41 PM. Reason : lets just be frank] 12/30/2019 10:41:25 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
Kind of fascinating how durable Biden’s lead is
The wine cave thing hurts Pete, but Biden can slur like he’s always drunk and nothing happens.
If we have a minimum voting age we should have a maximum voting age... 12/30/2019 10:45:24 PM |
horosho Suspended 2001 Posts user info edit post |
Biden's durability feels very familiar... 12/30/2019 11:28:42 PM |
StTexan Suggestions??? 7148 Posts user info edit post |
Seriously. Its like we need someone young and fresh like Obama 2008 to get ppl excited 12/30/2019 11:51:45 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
buttigieg got bodied by ted cruz on twitter yesterday, buttigieg really needs some big help on anything race-related 12/31/2019 3:29:56 PM |
A Tanzarian drip drip boom 10995 Posts user info edit post |
Biden is trading on name recognition. He's a familiar brand. His durability isn't surprising or conspiratorial. 12/31/2019 4:07:59 PM |
moron All American 34142 Posts user info edit post |
^^ it was an old video of Pete to be fair.
I’m sure he knows there were many prominent abolitionists when the country was founded, he was just doing the centrist thing by trying to bring people together with a pleasant fiction. 12/31/2019 4:57:00 PM |
qntmfred retired 40726 Posts user info edit post |
Q4 fundraising numbers released for Buttigieg - $24.7M from 326k donors. 733k total donors on the year 1/1/2020 9:00:39 AM |
shoot All American 7611 Posts user info edit post |
Quote : | "ANDREW YANG, PETE BUTTIGIEG END 2019 WITH BIG FUNDRAISING SPIKES HEADING INTO PRIMARY VOTING" |
1/1/2020 8:02:09 PM |
qntmfred retired 40726 Posts user info edit post |
Castro has officially dropped out
Fundraising summary so far
Sanders $34.5M (vs $25.3M Q3, +36%) Buttigieg $24.7M (vs $19.1M Q3, +29%) Biden not yet reported, but projected over $20M (vs $15.2M Q3, +40% at least) Warren not yet reported, but projected ~20M (vs $24.6M Q3, -19%) Yang $16.5M (vs $10M Q3, +65%) Booker not yet reported, but projected ~$5M (vs $6M Q3) Klobuchar not yet reported, but projects ~$5M (vs $4.8M Q3) Tulsi $3.4M (vs $3M Q3, +13%)
[Edited on January 2, 2020 at 9:58 AM. Reason : and Trump raised $46M] 1/2/2020 9:15:52 AM |
NyM410 J-E-T-S 50085 Posts user info edit post |
Wow massive number for Bernie. 1/2/2020 10:00:48 AM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
Castro's run probably improved his reputation, i bet we see more from him throughout the election and I wouldn't be surprised if he made another run in the future 1/2/2020 10:13:44 AM |
shoot All American 7611 Posts user info edit post |
Yes, we will see him again in 2024. He's a big competitor of Ted Cruz by then. 1/2/2020 10:17:18 AM |
qntmfred retired 40726 Posts user info edit post |
Some fundraising context from Q4 2015
Hillary Clinton: $38.1M Bernie Sanders: $33.6M
Ben Carson: $22.6M Ted Cruz: $20.5M Marco Rubio: $14.2M Donald Trump: $13.6M Jeb Bush: $7.1M John Kasich: $3.2M Chris Christie: $3.0M Carly Fiorina: $2.9M
[Edited on January 2, 2020 at 1:08 PM. Reason : so Castro v Cruz for Senate in 2024??] 1/2/2020 1:06:17 PM |
bbehe Burn it all down. 18402 Posts user info edit post |
If Biden wins the nomination and presidency, I think he'll run on a one term promise, so 2024 should be wide open 1/2/2020 1:08:14 PM |
dtownral Suspended 26632 Posts user info edit post |
it's insane that he said that out loud and that it wasn't a major story and big deal 1/2/2020 1:20:29 PM |
qntmfred retired 40726 Posts user info edit post |
Biden's Q4 numbers have arrived - $22.7M
[Edited on January 2, 2020 at 2:16 PM. Reason : .] 1/2/2020 2:14:21 PM |