Can’t believe it, and UVA had only lost twice all year.

3/16/2018 11:45:22 PM

TT knows I never let one game define a season.

3/16/2018 11:48:53 PM

hahaha, good one

3/16/2018 11:51:01 PM

This is like Phi Slamma Jamma. They'll be recognized for their regular season success but they'll be most famous for losing. People will reference this game for at least a generation.

3/16/2018 11:52:46 PM

They will NEVER live this down. They'll always be the team that lost this game. He's no longer Kyle Guy, he's Kyle the Guy Who Lost to the First Sixteen Seed Ever

3/16/2018 11:53:32 PM

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"They'll be recognized for their regular season success"

not really

3/16/2018 11:55:06 PM

I'm not shocked. Virginia plays a slow style of offense and doesn't score above 60 points a lot of games. If a 1 seed was ever ripe for an upset it was them.

3/16/2018 11:58:33 PM

Oh it'll get brought up. #1 Virginia. ACC Champions blah blah. Number one overall seed. Speaking of their success helps to make the story that much better.



Lost to #16 UMBC. By 20. Just emphasizes how big a deal this is.

3/16/2018 11:59:29 PM

Yeah, you need the juxtaposition and perspective to realize that it's not some 26-4 Gonzaga #1 seed losing, but my point was nobody cares about regular season success if you can't turn it into postseason success.

3/17/2018 12:01:13 AM

Is the ACCT regular season or postseason?

asking for a comrade...

3/17/2018 12:06:42 AM

conference tourneys are great. 1st round exists in the ncaa as a #1 seed are not great.

3/17/2018 12:08:21 AM

This will live forever.

It actually happened in the women's tournament a long time ago (think it was Stanford-Harvard) which comparing talent to talent would be a bigger upset because the women's game is so more lopsided compared to the men as far as competitiveness, and that was the era where the top-seeded schools hosted, so Stanford not only lost as a 1 seed, then lost at home.

Still, comparing the difference in public interest, this will be far more celebrated.

3/17/2018 12:09:13 AM

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FUCK VIRGINIA AND YOUR BULLSHIT STYLE OF BASKETBALL!!!


This is what happens when you play to make the the other team lose instead of playing to win. Let your superior athletes ball and fuck this slow crappy bullshit

3/17/2018 12:10:17 AM

hahahahha REPRESENTIN' THE ACC!!

3/17/2018 12:35:56 AM

Scathing takedown of BennettBall here by Forde

https://sports.yahoo.com/theres-no-escaping-historic-embarrassment-virginia-043006234.html

3/17/2018 12:37:21 AM

i think Earl is the only person here who likes UVA

[Edited on March 17, 2018 at 12:38 AM. Reason : ^^but nice try]

3/17/2018 12:37:53 AM

https://youtu.be/PuPs2v0aUGc

3/17/2018 12:39:17 AM

They probably wont win but they will be remember for the rest of history. LOL. Even so, my bracket still did not improve.

3/17/2018 12:46:27 AM

3/17/2018 12:51:50 AM

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"the alleged apotheosis of a distinct basketball philosophy"

man, going hard at the Earl-types

3/17/2018 12:54:40 AM

Quote :

"Scathing takedown of BennettBall here by Forde https://sports.yahoo.com/theres-no-escaping-historic-embarrassment-virginia-043006234.html"

This is an evisceration. Almost as brutal as the game itself.

3/17/2018 1:02:56 AM

In an era where one and done primadonnas dominate the landscape, even k has traded in his coaching card for instant success. Just when all hope of building success based on hard work, determination and all of the things we preach as the ideals of having team sports in the first place is lost, income UVA. In a world of shortcuts, the program represents everything that is right. They do things the right way with respect for the game, fundamentals, teamwork, and selflessness. We already knew doing things the right way doesn't win and that is the life lesson but it sure feels good to see the people doing it the right way win. Its fitting that Kentucky will step in to fill the void in that region.

All they did was overperform all season from #38 to #1 and people couldn't wait to pile up and kick them the moment they lost. Thats what we have come to. Everyone is eager to make fun of a program of integrity.

3/17/2018 2:08:30 AM

if you really want to troll, unc after all the top recruits stopped taking their calls is the program you want to emulate

3/17/2018 2:23:02 AM

Forde is the troll. Its in his job description.

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"ACC Operation Basketball 2017-18 Preseason Poll (First-place votes in parenthesis) Team & Points 1. Duke (57) - 1020 2. North Carolina (7) - 921 3. Notre Dame (4) - 852 4. Miami (1) - 809 5. Louisville - 733 6. Virginia - 690"

This was only such a historic upset because virginia's accomplishments were so monumental. Imagine what the storyline would be if the 6th place team in the ACC lost in the first round.

UMBC is a much bigger upset but Arizona is a much bigger disappointment. If you're looking for someone to pile on, look at Sean Miller.



[Edited on March 17, 2018 at 2:43 AM. Reason : that article is garbage and the person who wrote it is garbage]

3/17/2018 2:37:54 AM

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"All they did was overunderperform all season when it mattered"

ftfy mamba

3/17/2018 2:43:47 AM

last week you were saying the ACCT mattered. Now that UVA has won that, only that NCAAT matters. The goal posts are all the way down Hillsborough somehwere.

3/17/2018 2:46:13 AM

I woke up just now and saw the score and was like “holy crap!” Then I came here to post F you Tony Bennett and your terrible form of basketball! That’s what you get! Then I saw Lionheart’s post which pretty much summed up my feelings.

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"HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA FUCK VIRGINIA AND YOUR BULLSHIT STYLE OF BASKETBALL!!! This is what happens when you play to make the the other team lose instead of playing to win. Let your superior athletes ball and fuck this slow crappy bullshit"

3/17/2018 3:07:57 AM

Because I’m a narcissistic fuck who likes being right I went back to find my comments about not wanting Bennett as a coach. That’s when I ran across earl in true rare form defending uva basketball as if it was the culmination of basketball evolution. It’s a gem.

https://thewolfweb.com/message_topic.aspx?topic=649586&page=1

[Edited on March 17, 2018 at 3:52 AM. Reason : #Humblebrag #fuckbennettball]

3/17/2018 3:50:55 AM

I'm so glad we're not winning ACC championships

[Edited on March 17, 2018 at 3:56 AM. Reason : 31-3 is what you get]

3/17/2018 3:53:51 AM

http://Diduniversityofmarylandbaltimorecountywin.com

3/17/2018 3:54:52 AM

Quote :

"still remains to be seen if they can succeed in the NCAA tourney. refs in the big dance actually call fouls on UVA."

3/17/2018 12:18:37 PM

Guys, I don't know who to cheer for in tomorrow's epic battle of Stank Face vs the Wonder Twins.

3/17/2018 12:23:20 PM

come on son. can't turn your back on the wolf pack

3/17/2018 12:49:30 PM

3/17/2018 12:53:19 PM

Quote :

"Imagine what the storyline would be if the 6th place team in the ACC lost in the first round."

Well, it's not exactly historic, but 2/15 upsets get talked about quite a lot as well. Unfortunately, the coach of said team has never lost in the first round

3/17/2018 2:03:06 PM

Quote :

"still remains to be seen if they can succeed in the NCAA tourney. refs in the big dance actually call fouls on UVA."

this post still looks just as dumb since it has nothing to do with how they lost.

3/17/2018 2:33:04 PM

Well why did the #1 seed in the entire tournament get dominated and blown out by a 16 seed? Umbc must have a much higher basketball iq.

Stupid UVA cost the ACC a chance at a 5-0 day

[Edited on March 17, 2018 at 2:43 PM. Reason : 4-1]

3/17/2018 2:40:21 PM

It was the perfect storm. They couldn't make shots and other team couldn't miss. Thats the beauty of the tournament. One off night and the best team is done.

I told you all along, you would have been in bounds if you were criticizing them for not having a great offense or being thin on talent, but I have no idea why you chose the officiating conspiracy route. It never made sense.

[Edited on March 17, 2018 at 3:03 PM. Reason : its mainly all the duke and unc fans who are jealous of new money taking their place]

3/17/2018 3:03:15 PM

I've criticized their lack of offense plenty. All of a sudden you think it's a legitimate gripe? You used to just accuse people of not knowing basketball if they didn't embrace UVA's terrible system.

And in case you weren't watching, the UVA players looked shocked in the 2nd half when they actually got called for their reach in fouls, which didn't seem to happen during conference play. And this is not the first season that UVA's regular season "defense" has been called differently in the big dance. Try to keep up.

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"Thats the beauty of the tournament. One off night and the best team is done."

Yeah, upsets happen. But never a 16 over a 1. And it wasn't even a close game. That doesn't happen until last night. And it doesn't happen to a team that has a better offensive philosophy.

[Edited on March 17, 2018 at 3:09 PM. Reason : flawed]

3/17/2018 3:06:34 PM

The #1 defense in college basketball history giving up 53 points in a half to a commuter school requires more than a team "just hitting shots." Virginia not being able to get away with their normal bullshit was a big factor in their meltdown. The way they completely fell apart in the second half isn't something that happens to normal top tier teams, it only happens to fraudulent ones.

3/17/2018 3:19:15 PM

Could their offensive production be better? of course. Is this solely because of the "system"? Not really. They could have used a guy who could get his shot anytime which was Hunter's role. The system is the main reason why they were one of the best teams in conference history. With Sidney Lowe's system, they would have been a middle of the road team.

I wouldn't call it a "legitimate gripe" but not being a powerful offensive team was the only reason they weren't the undefeated best team of all time so it would be a nitpickers gripe and it is the thing to criticize them on if you feel like you have to hate on them for something. Of course its not a "terrible system". Terrible systems don't win 31 games with mediocre talent.

Quote :

"And in case you weren't watching, the UVA players looked shocked in the 2nd half when they actually got called for their reach in fouls, which didn't seem to happen during conference play. And this is not the first season that UVA's regular season "defense" has been called differently in the big dance. Try to keep up."

They were called for over 14 fouls per game on the season and over 15 in conference play. They were called for 16 lastnight and 17 vs florida. They were called for 16 in the championship game against UNC. Its all pretty consistent and by keeping on with this, you make it obvious that you are just a blind hater.

Virginia's defense is not aggressive and doesn't reach by design. They literally sit back and "pack line". They were called for 6 fouls in the first half which is below their average. They were called for 4 2nd half fouls before they went down 16 in the last 10 minutes and started pressing. Virginia never pressed like that before last night but pressing in desperation is the opposite of their actual style and lends itself to foul calls that will be protested. The game was already over.

They shot 4/22 from 3 lastnight and 1/15 against florida. They don't press and reach in conference play because they don't have those kind of nights. Those are fluke games and obviously aren't representative of who they are as shooters.

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"The way they completely fell apart in the second half isn't something that happens to normal top tier teams, it only happens to fraudulent ones."

They were never a "normal" top tier team. If dominating without first round talent is fraud, then I don't wanna be straight. This was supposed to be a rebuilding year. They were only picked to finish as high as 6th because everyone respects his system.

[Edited on March 17, 2018 at 3:49 PM. Reason : "normal" top tier teams have 2 or 3 first rounders]

3/17/2018 3:39:44 PM

UMBC lost to Albany by 44 points earlier this year

3/17/2018 3:53:57 PM

You call it over performing in the tournament for the talent they have. The rest of the world calls it consistently under performing (ie choking) on the biggest stage.

Whether it actually is the refs in the tournament calling different or not, most of us can agree we are happy we don't have to watch their bullshit ugly ass slow down grabby handsy style of basketball succeed.

If they ever actually had any real success the rest of the world would be copying their ass and I would quickly lose interest as a college bball fan.

3/17/2018 6:27:43 PM

what is your definition of success?

I consider 31-3 with ACC regular season and tournament championship to be a success especially when you were picked 6th. Do you think the other teams are all just coasting through the ACC because it is meaningless?

and you act like they have never won a game in the postseason. their "lack of success" under bennett is still more than we have had in my entire lifetime.

i don't know if you are purposefully ignoring the big picture or if you are as delusional as your idea that you share with tree twista that the UVA defense is all about reaching in and grabbing.


[Edited on March 17, 2018 at 6:44 PM. Reason : yall throw a parade everytime you beat unc foh]

[Edited on March 17, 2018 at 6:46 PM. Reason : 0 elite 8s in my lifetime but shit on bennett for blowing a lead in the elite 8]

3/17/2018 6:41:19 PM

Earl considers the 18-1 Patriots to be the greatest football team of all time

[Edited on March 17, 2018 at 6:47 PM. Reason : at least they were fun to watch though]

Quote :

"0 elite 8s in my lifetime"

that's just winning 3 games in a row. just like if they had done it in november. all games are worth the same amount.


[Edited on March 17, 2018 at 6:48 PM. Reason : .]

3/17/2018 6:45:42 PM

theres a huge difference between saying the NCAA championship is the greatest accomplishment and saying everything else is meaningless and any team who doesn't win a championship is completely worthless.

It does require the ability to think beyond absolutes, see the big picture, and process nuance. This scenario is a perfect case study on that very topic.

[Edited on March 17, 2018 at 6:58 PM. Reason : state fans who are glad we don't have bennett just don't like winning. ]

3/17/2018 6:52:46 PM

Most people consider a Final 4 as a success, myself included, even when you have huge expectations going into the tournament. But with a team like this year's UVA, a first round exit is a huge failure. You seem to be glossing over their massive choke job failure last night, and choosing to focus on their terrific regular season. I mean that's great that they went 31-2 or whatever, but for what?

Do you not realize that our first round loss doesn't sting as much compared to theirs based on the two teams' vastly different expectations going into the tournament?

3/17/2018 6:57:20 PM

I think the fact that UVA having such success in the ACC, but little in the national stage (i think sweet 16 was their best performance, considering they had 2 ACC titles, and perennial ranked teams), proves that defense does not win championships. all it takes is one team to be hot from 3 and those defensive minded teams are toast (which is, i think, how we won a lot of our top 25 wins this year).

[Edited on March 17, 2018 at 7:07 PM. Reason : .]

3/17/2018 7:07:10 PM

UVA under Bennett has had three #1 seeds, a #2 and a #5 and of all of those they have one elite eight run that they choked away to a ten seeded Syracuse and two sweet sixteens.

That’s barely more NCAA tourney success than ncstate has had over those same years come from 8 seeds and below.

I mean I’d take their ACC championships in a heart beat, but I hate watching their style and it’d make me sick to my stomach to watch my team choke like they do every year. Time will tell how Keatts does in the tourney but right now I’d take Keatts over Bennett all day.

3/17/2018 7:13:57 PM

Quote :

"Most people consider a Final 4 as a success, myself included, even when you have huge expectations going into the tournament. "

This limits success to only 4 teams per year. You and your internet buddies are entitled to your own standards for success but there is a broad system of recognition, banners, and trophies given out to officially acknowledge different types of success.

National Championships
Conference championships
Regular season awards (titles, coy, etc)

Just because a team doesn't win every single game, and every single title doesn't mean they haven't had success.

Quote :

"You seem to be glossing over their massive choke job failure last night,"

I'm just saying that it was a failure in one game and doesn't erase everything they did up until that point. No ones coming to confiscate all of the rings and banners because of this one choke job.

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" Do you not realize that our first round loss doesn't sting as much compared to theirs based on the two teams' vastly different expectations going into the tournament?"

Those high expectations were solely due to their success and our lack of expectations was due to our lack of success relative to them. You act like they were preseason Duke. I can only dream of NC State winning a single ACC championship in my lifetime. regular or tourney. He already has 3 and 2.

[Edited on March 17, 2018 at 7:21 PM. Reason : this was their first bad loss in the tournament. izzo and k have had a bad loss before.]

3/17/2018 7:17:27 PM