C7 Z06 weight released. 325 lbs heavier than the last Z06

8/20/2014 9:30:17 AM

Holy shit! Corvette Z06 MSRP is $78,995

Why the F would anyone bother with the Camaro Z/28 for $75k?!

8/22/2014 10:43:01 AM

because plenty of people dont like corvettes

8/22/2014 2:30:24 PM

har har. I understand that some people want that back seat. Still, seems hard to justify the price of the Z/28 if Chevy can sell the semi-exotic Z06 for close to the same amount.

8/22/2014 6:29:07 PM

^ Considering it will out-perform the previous ZR1, I would call it a full-blown exotic.

(I know I know, Corvette, plastic, etc )

8/22/2014 7:15:06 PM

haha, well actually I was referring to it's construction. Carbon fiber, composites, etc.

8/22/2014 8:05:18 PM

12/3/2014 10:12:29 AM

Rip

12/3/2014 10:21:58 AM

^monoleaf front spring????

12/3/2014 10:25:44 AM

Yep

Interesting breakdown of the suspension setup.

http://www.edmunds.com/car-reviews/track-tests/2014-chevrolet-corvette-stingray-z51-suspension-walkaround.html

12/3/2014 10:48:22 AM

^^It's had that suspension design for a while now. Composite leaf spring front and rear.

This C7 crashed going 100+, and the driver walked away.

12/3/2014 10:56:53 AM

Glad for the drivers safety, sad for the bad decision and wreck. Hope nobody else was harmed.

12/3/2014 11:05:14 AM

^^^^ Corvettes have had transverse leaf springs both front and rear for generations...like all the way back to the C2, I think, although the specifics have changed, particularly starting with the C5. It's actually a very good design with some real advantages.

12/3/2014 1:20:39 PM

I knew the rear suspension was monoleaf on recent models, but never paid attention to the fronts.

interesting-

12/3/2014 1:29:24 PM

light weight and compact packaging works well for them...

12/3/2014 1:32:27 PM

C5 had the biggest suspension update compared to previous generation in part because they switched to a rear transaxle with the C5's.

12/6/2014 8:56:06 AM

This is not how you break in a 80k car with 1 mile on it.

12/6/2014 12:58:17 PM

meh. it'll be fine. You realize that engine factories do audits and put a certain number of brand new engines on a dyno to go to peak power with less than an hour of run time on it?

i mean it abused the tires and heated up the fluids. but the car is stock, the torque limiting controls should keep anything major from happening to it.

12/6/2014 2:20:55 PM

I, too, can power brake and smoke the tires....with way way way way less power

12/6/2014 4:26:29 PM

12/8/2014 12:06:06 AM

http://jalopnik.com/2015-corvette-z06-is-experiencing-power-loss-thanks-to-1669754727

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"After several laps on the track or a few hard acceleration runs on the highway, owners of the brandy new Super Vette are reporting noticeable power loss from the supercharged LT4 V8. Originally it was thought that it was heat soak from the supercharger, but, it is, in fact, conservative tuning of the ECU to help the drivetrain survive for 100,000 miles as well as allow the Z06 to meet stringent US emissions regs"

I'd be pissed. Drop 80k+ on a car, and you have to void your warranty for it to perform correctly.

Z06 is a track package, and they crippled it at the track....wtf GM

[Edited on December 11, 2014 at 10:51 AM. Reason : .]

12/11/2014 10:49:28 AM

sounds about right. ...and the gt4 takes the lead

12/11/2014 12:58:38 PM

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"as well as allow the Z06 to meet stringent US emissions regs"

Who gives a fuck if this car gets slapped with the gas guzzler tax? Certainly nobody that wants to buy one.

12/11/2014 1:19:52 PM

There solution to the problem is laughable. You can go enjoy your car the way it is designed after you get a aftermarket tune to get rid of our self crippling tune. BTW that will void your warranty.

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"Chevy knows that this is happening, but feels that almost every Z06 owner will be totally satisfied with their car, and if they aren't, there are aftermarket tuners that they can go to that'll gladly liberalize that ECU"

They have a point, what 65 year old is going to really use all 650hp.

12/11/2014 1:30:59 PM

Lol check out my comments on that jalopnik post. Many many good laughs.

12/11/2014 7:34:12 PM

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"There solution to the problem is laughable. You can go enjoy your car the way it is designed after you get a aftermarket tune to get rid of our self crippling tune. BTW that will void your warranty. "

Sounds like what Subaru does.

12/12/2014 8:45:57 AM

If only I had 100k sitting around.

^^Don't be too hard on them old farts, I need them to buy z06's like hot cakes so I can get one for cheap in a few years. Old guys are great for the used car market.

[Edited on December 12, 2014 at 1:31 PM. Reason : .]

12/12/2014 1:26:29 PM

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"Who gives a fuck if this car gets slapped with the gas guzzler tax?"

gas guzzler and emissions are two different things.

12/12/2014 3:24:26 PM

True, but I thought the only real regulatory huddles for automakers in the US are CAFE standards, which in simple terms are fleet average fuel economy requirements which are intertwined with CO2 emissions. High performing engines aren't exactly going to be pumping out unburnt fuel and NOx.

[Edited on December 12, 2014 at 4:09 PM. Reason : not putting thoughts into the right words]

12/12/2014 4:03:49 PM

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"fleet average fuel economy requirements"

Wouldn't the tiny handful of Z06s be negligible compared to the zillions of econo things sold? GM could build every Z06 to inject gasoline straight into the exhaust pipe and it still wouldn't dent their overall fuel economy averages.

12/12/2014 7:37:14 PM

yep. they should focus on diesel full size pickups and the number of tools that drive them with empty beds bc they have to tow 2x per year.

[Edited on December 12, 2014 at 8:17 PM. Reason : f]

12/12/2014 8:16:55 PM

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"Atleast do like ford does and have the track key... This makes the whole car lose credit in my opinion the z06 package was the track day package... now its just another vette for hair chested Hawaiian shirt wearing 50-somethings that have some money to blow and want be the coolest one at the golf course. "

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"Are you trying to say that the Z06's "performance issues" are like certain Hawaiian shirt wearing 50 something's with money to blow? "

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"EXACTLY... all this build up and then... nothing... no follow through... maybe their track key should be a fob that's a blue diamond "

[Edited on December 12, 2014 at 9:27 PM. Reason : .]

[Edited on December 12, 2014 at 9:28 PM. Reason : .]

12/12/2014 9:25:20 PM

80k for a detuned car is a disgrace in my opinion.

12/12/2014 11:18:19 PM

This is classic GM. These Z06 owners need to start worrying about reliability. I don't buy the emissions excuse since the companies argument is you can void the warranty and get all the power all the time. I think they probably found something in testing that says it won't last 100k+ miles at 650hp.

This is GM, the company that knowingly allowed people to drive cars with bad ignition switches etc.

I've been all over the Hellcat forum and not one owner is complaining about them slowing down.

[Edited on December 13, 2014 at 7:32 AM. Reason : .]

12/13/2014 7:32:06 AM

hard to get to the root of this because so many people are just copying something they read somewhere on a forum. I think this is the original article:

http://www.autoevolution.com/news/2015-corvette-z06-owners-report-heat-soak-power-loss-its-actually-a-conservative-ecu-setup-89790.html

There's some silly stuff in there.

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" “With the OE calibration we did experience the same thing... The timing tables are EXTREMELY conservative and the ECU will pull timing for almost any situation. I am waiting for owners to complain about "tip in" as the ECU pulls a massive amount of timing when slightly touching the gas pedal”"

it's called tip-in bump control and fast path torque reduction bro, basic stuff.

It sure sounds like intercooler heatsoak to me, as the root cause. The hotter the air charge gets, the more spark has to be pulled and the hotter the exhaust temperatures would get. Hot exhaust temperatures age the cat prematurely. The thermal model enriches according to predicted cat brick temp. As heatsoak increases, timing is retarded according to the torque model. However, you can't retard too much or the combustion gets too unstable and could misfire (destroying the cat), so you go into de-rating.

As far as the emissions thing goes, it's simple. In 1 year and in 4 years the engine will have to go in for in-use emissions testing. They have to take customer cars back in and test them on a chassis dyno and make sure that they aren't failing emissions. If the cat overheats, you get into a situation where the car could fail a government emissions test but the driver would never see a check engine light.

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"This is classic GM. These Z06 owners need to start worrying about reliability. I don't buy the emissions excuse since the companies argument is you can void the warranty and get all the power all the time. I think they probably found something in testing that says it won't last 100k+ miles at 650hp."

The full quote was:

"We are confident that the vast majority of customers are going to be more than satisfied with the performance the Z06 offers in stock form. For those that want more power, they can visit an aftermarket tuner – who are not held to the same standards [emissions and warranty] as an OEM. However, this presents significant risk to the customer. An aftermarket tune voids the vehicle warranty as Chevrolet cannot possibly test or confirm the durability of their calibration; and aftermarket calibrations could cause drivability issues that are not present in the factory setting."

They're not telling people to void the warranty. They're acknowledging that some people will do that, but they can't guarantee the tune will be safe in the long term--which is exactly what you would expect them to say.

You gotta remember that these engines go through hours and hours of durability tests at peak power in labs. The difference is, in a lab you can hold the air charge temperature mostly constant using a lab heat exchanger. Heatsoak isn't a problem like in a car.

12/13/2014 8:14:41 AM

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"Wouldn't the tiny handful of Z06s be negligible compared to the zillions of econo things sold? GM could build every Z06 to inject gasoline straight into the exhaust pipe and it still wouldn't dent their overall fuel economy averages."

Yes, and thus every time a large automaker states that they couldn't do _____ for their low volume performance car because of emissions I usually wave the BS flag.

12/15/2014 11:27:34 AM

Z06 First Drive by TG

http://www.topgear.com/uk/car-news/corvette-z06-c7-first-drive-2014-11-25

Now this really says something:

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"Think it's fair to say it's going to crush anything less than a 918, P1 or LaFerrari."

Wow! I would also include the Koenigsegg in that list, but it is pretty much spot on.

12/29/2014 6:47:50 AM

I'd say hyper car.

12/30/2014 7:10:14 AM

1 Down

https://autos.yahoo.com/news/first-2015-chevy-corvette-z06-engine-destroyed-just-234536392.html

<1k miles and its toast.

http://www.corvetteforum.com/forums/c7-z06-discussion/3583727-891-miles-now-engine-is-blown.html

So much for the void your warranty to make it perform defense they used. Void the warranty and have fun paying for the 24k engine.

[Edited on December 30, 2014 at 8:42 PM. Reason : .]

12/30/2014 8:40:05 PM

http://youtu.be/7qLYvNjoLR0

c7z06 v. hellcat

1/6/2015 12:33:36 AM

[Edited on January 6, 2015 at 1:25 AM. Reason : nm, actually watched the boring as shit first part]

1/6/2015 1:20:18 AM

With the C7 out now, how much can C6's be had for now? Is 15k realistic (with z51 package)?

3/5/2015 8:25:25 PM

No, you'd have to find one with hella miles and a dirty carfax to get that price.

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/Chevrolet/Corvette/Raleigh+NC-27612?endYear=2007&makeCode1=CHEV&mmt=%5BCHEV%5BCORV%5B%5D%5D%5B%5D%5D&modelCode1=CORV&searchRadius=0&showcaseListingId=390757238&showcaseOwnerId=47973205&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&startYear=2005&Log=0

3/5/2015 8:56:53 PM

I'm waiting for a famous zo6 to go on sale.
She has 175,000 miles on her now.

3/6/2015 5:26:56 AM

https://www.yahoo.com/autos/s/jeremy-clarkson-says-corvette-z06-not-serious-player-143035974.html

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"“This car was built to look good in a brochure, Clarkson wrote. “The numbers and ingredients are tantalising, but this car is not a serious player in the European theatre of war. It may be able to out-accelerate just about everything, and on a skid pan the size of Texas, where there’s nothing to hit if you overstep the mark, it can generate some extraordinary lateral G. But it’s not nice to drive. “So if you want a serious car, buy one from the continent that gave the world Shakespeare, Monet and Emerson Lake & Palmer. Europe does serious well. It does substance. It does brilliant. America does Disney. And what we have with the Z06 is Disney trying to do a hard-hitting documentary about Africa’s civil wars. Naturally, it hasn’t really worked.”"

I can't believe Americans take this ass clown seriously.

5/14/2015 12:04:09 PM

the car isn't serious. its for parking lot pimpin. overheats after a very small number of laps. just like the hellcat, it's for show

5/14/2015 12:32:53 PM

Do you see the difference between your critique and his. You point out facts about it, he just says America does disney and the car isn't fun to drive.

5/14/2015 12:37:20 PM

well yeah, the guy is shopping himself for a job. he's trying to stay relevant

5/14/2015 2:06:03 PM

But, TG said this in December:

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""Think it's fair to say it's going to crush anything less than a 918, P1 or LaFerrari.""

(see my post a few posts up)

5/14/2015 2:22:57 PM

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"just like the hellcat, it's for show"

Except the Hellcat won't overheat at the race track.

5/18/2015 10:49:53 AM