is that like conservatives massively increasing the deficit for failed economic theory to give peanuts to the working class and cost them more in the long run, but hey this company with billions in profits is giving a one time bonus to workers so it's okay.

[Edited on December 22, 2017 at 9:31 AM. Reason : i wonder if the workers scheduled to be layed off still get the bonus]

12/22/2017 9:30:56 AM

I think most conservatives would agree with you that there is a deficit problem, which nearly doubled with the previous administration. The logical next step would be to cutting some of the spending that is causing the deficit.

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"to give peanuts to the working class"

You sound like Lucille Bluth. But yes, please continue to argue that bonuses and investment in innovation is bad for the working class.

12/22/2017 10:04:03 AM

a small tax cut that expires is peanuts

12/22/2017 10:08:00 AM

If you are worried about the deficit (and are you conflating debt with deficit?? Because Obama had a High deficit thanks to stimulus in 2009-10 but it came way down after and is set to go up again) you don’t pass a tax cut without a definitive cut in spending. You cant possibly think the Senate would pass a 60 vote welfare reform, can you?

[Edited on December 22, 2017 at 10:11 AM. Reason : Debt versus deficit]

12/22/2017 10:10:36 AM

conservatives don't really care about debt or deficits (they re-elected bush), i was just pointing out the hypocrisy


the nobody giving a shit about the deficit problem is an old people problem, not a party affiliation problem

[Edited on December 22, 2017 at 10:18 AM. Reason : .]

12/22/2017 10:16:48 AM

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"you don’t pass a tax cut without a definitive cut in spending."

Agreed. Which is why I stated that the next logical step was to cut spending.

12/22/2017 10:49:35 AM

How on earth would they be able to pass that in the Senate without reconciliation. Unless you’re thinking McConnell is gonna blow up the filibuster.

12/22/2017 10:55:04 AM

the long term GOP goal is to make things so bad we are forced to pass austerity measures because they are unpatriotic pricks who hate everything and want to destroy this nation

12/22/2017 11:00:35 AM

those one time bonuses, tho

12/22/2017 11:48:49 AM

All I want for Christmas is oligarchy
Oligarchy
Oligarchy
If I could only have oligarchy
Then I could wish you Merry Christmas

12/22/2017 12:05:09 PM

Quote :

"The logical next step would be to cutting some of the spending that is causing the deficit."

That would actually have been the logical first step.

12/22/2017 12:26:13 PM

https://twitter.com/randpaul/status/943852014055944192

What the fuck happened to him?

[Edited on December 22, 2017 at 12:31 PM. Reason : Trump taints everyone he touches]

12/22/2017 12:31:06 PM

Quote :

"conservatives don't really care about debt or deficits (they re-elected bush), i was just pointing out the hypocrisy "

Thats because "conservatives" aren't actually conservative about anything except helping the vulnerable. Libertarians are the only real conservatives.

[Edited on December 22, 2017 at 2:57 PM. Reason : the GOP is not conservative]

12/22/2017 2:56:46 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/22/politics/us-ambassador-to-netherlands-denies-own-comments/index.html

Let's just fill the government up with Trump's liars. Jesus christ this shit is literally on tape.

^^I hate to say it but I think Rand is attempting to be consistent, that is, going off of the reports about FBI officials (really, just McCabe and Storzk) as of late.

It's stupid but I mean here's the thing. Let them investigate it. They'll either find something and we'll be better off or they'll find nothing and we can move on. I do not think there is enough reporting or evidence to place this in priority over the Russian investigation but I'm not really opposed to it being investigated if it will shut them up once it comes out there's nothing there.

[Edited on December 22, 2017 at 4:13 PM. Reason : a]

12/22/2017 4:11:16 PM

Thats the thing tho. The can of worms is wide open and now politicians will want to investigate the shit out of anything they don't like.

12/22/2017 5:44:52 PM

You are correct. But at the moment, if that is what it takes to keep them from interfering with Meuller's investigation then I'm willing to accept that. That is how important I believe it is and I believe at the end of it the counter reaction against the GOP for being so obstructive to it will shut down any further baseless investigations.

[Edited on December 22, 2017 at 5:47 PM. Reason : A]

12/22/2017 5:47:33 PM

And right after their PR campaign that people like HCH fell for, AT&T lays off 1,400

12/23/2017 7:47:12 AM

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"Good on the minimum wage raises though, that's definitely solid. Now we'll just wait and see how many employees they fire to "manage costs.""

Feels weird quoting myself but I think dtownral's post justifies it.

12/23/2017 12:00:43 PM

I don't think people like HCH actually care about that. They have their mind made up either way. I'd love to hear him speak for himself but I take it as they think the tax cuts are great for the economy and great for them personally so then they look for ways to refute the criticisms of it to convince others with things said others probably want to hear.

Wouldn't you still have supported the bill if you knew this was going to happen or if you knew raises weren't going to happen.

12/23/2017 4:21:26 PM

^Everyone with a brain knows that cutting the corporate tax rate does not going to lead to raised wages, just bigger bonuses for CEOs.

[Edited on December 23, 2017 at 8:04 PM. Reason : -]

12/23/2017 8:03:47 PM

Mike Huckabee blessed us with this flaming take earlier:

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"Churchill was hated by his own party, opposition party, and press. Feared by King as reckless, and despised for his bluntness. But unlike Neville Chamberlain, he didn't retreat. We had a Chamberlain for 8 yrs; in @realDonaldTrump we have a Churchill."

what a great family, and an even better party some of you are a part of

12/27/2017 12:37:21 AM

This must be what he tells himself to sleep at night

That a reality tv show host is equivalent to one of the most infamous career policitians and civil servants.

12/27/2017 2:05:30 AM

https://thinkprogress.org/lawmaker-fine-nfl-team-protest-7ec5c64d2ba9/

12/29/2017 3:33:56 PM

Apparently, Senators Grassley and Graham are putting all of their credibility chips on the table.

1/5/2018 2:26:30 PM

I still don’t understand why they are going to such lengths to protect Trump. It’s bizarre. He doesn’t give a fuck about them and Pence would be just as, if not more, conservative.

1/5/2018 2:35:42 PM

they don't have time to mess with trump. they want to get their shit done before they lose control.

1/5/2018 2:45:44 PM

^

1/5/2018 3:17:30 PM

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/01/comcast-fired-500-despite-claiming-tax-cut-would-create-thousands-of-jobs/

1/6/2018 1:05:04 PM

Our buddy Joe Arpaio running for senate now.

Over/under?

1/9/2018 4:17:16 PM

https://youtu.be/fc5tIKFDy1s

i dont recall prev admins making meetings like this public, thats something

1/10/2018 7:35:25 AM

You don’t want to recall them, that’s why. Obama held a five or six hour live bipartisan session on healthcare. He actually understood policy too.

1/10/2018 8:14:32 AM

maybe they didn't see it on breitbart, here it is beatsunc in case you missed it:
https://www.c-span.org/video/?292260-1/white-house-health-care-summit-part-1

and here is Obama having a Q&A with House Republicans, maybe also not reported by brietbart:
https://youtu.be/R5vOMIN673A



[Edited on January 10, 2018 at 9:39 AM. Reason : and do Q&A's count?]

1/10/2018 9:38:25 AM

Word

1/10/2018 10:01:49 AM

https://twitter.com/secretaryzinke/status/950876846698180608

If this isn’t extended to the other states that have requested it what is the recourse? It very well may be so this question may be moot but if not surely this is corruption in the open..

1/10/2018 10:47:52 AM

https://www.npr.org/2018/01/10/576889691/gop-retirements-hit-record-level-ahead-of-midterm-fight

Another one bites the dust...

1/10/2018 11:30:52 AM

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"i dont recall prev admins making meetings like this public, thats something"

so interesting story about this- the white house edited the transcript to remove the part where Trump said he would be agreeable to a clean DACA bill.

lol, doh!

1/10/2018 3:03:17 PM

Because he didnt know what he was talking about and was quickly corrected by the GOP. The video is on youtube, and is pretty funny.

1/10/2018 3:04:34 PM

if trump not knowing something is reason to censor a transcript, they'll definitely be busy

1/10/2018 3:41:21 PM

Senators Cotton and Perdue not recalling whether President Trump referred to Haiti and African nations as shithole countries isn't really the greatest look either.

1/12/2018 1:19:41 PM

"I don't recall" is classic selective memory to sidestep the situation. They should know it's going to backfire.

1/12/2018 1:32:41 PM

Lordy I hope there are tapes.

1/12/2018 1:33:33 PM

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/17/apple-announces-350-billion-investment-20k-jobs-over-5-years.html

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"Apple announces plans to repatriate billions in overseas cash, says it will 'contribute' $350 billion to the US economy over the next 5 years"

Quote :

"But the company did say promise to create 20,000 new jobs and a new campus thanks, in part, to the prospect of tax reform."

[Edited on January 17, 2018 at 1:34 PM. Reason : link]

1/17/2018 1:33:40 PM

[Edited on January 17, 2018 at 1:51 PM. Reason : .]

1/17/2018 1:50:25 PM

Is there any doubt at all that the GOP messaging on this, while completely in bad faith, will drive the media narrative. Bothsidesism is a plague the MSM will continue to fall in.

1/19/2018 12:09:41 PM

Messaging on what?

1/19/2018 2:09:07 PM

Shutdown blame obviously..

1/19/2018 2:31:59 PM

Ah, ok. In this age of 15 second news cycles, you cant be too sure.

What makes the GOP message in "bad faith"?

1/19/2018 2:37:01 PM

... the whole trying to blame it on the democratic party thing

1/19/2018 3:01:01 PM

So your issue with this is that one party is blaming the opposition party for the government shutdown?

Can you see past your nose?

1/19/2018 3:07:14 PM

It is! Only one side keeps moving the goalposts. I get that it’s not the rank and files fault the President is easily manipulated but the refusal to fund CHIP for months and now holding it over the Democrats heads is 100% bad faith... but again, I freely admit it will make at least some blame Democrats.

1/19/2018 3:08:55 PM