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A Tanzarian
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It's a preview of the GOP's 2020 messaging.

1/29/2019 3:03:03 PM

moron
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McConnell is going to allow a vote on green new deal. I think he thinks people who vote for it can have it used against them, but I think the gop is really understanding how much the general public supports bold solutions to climate change.

2/12/2019 9:22:14 PM

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Good job Turtle.

Supporting this fake national emergency just made it that much easier to claim climate change, gun violence and healthcare are national emergencies in 2021!

2/14/2019 3:20:46 PM

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This deal all hinges on Ann Coulter's take on twitter later

2/14/2019 3:45:46 PM

moron
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So are we at the point now where a President just declares a national emergency when he doesn't get exactly what he wants?

2/14/2019 3:53:14 PM

NyM410
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The best part is when the very serious beltway media takes Rubio and Cruz as good faith actors when they rail about the president in 2021 doing the same thing. Maybe they can even bring in Paul Ryan to criticize the increased deficit at that point.

2/14/2019 4:00:40 PM

Pupils DiL8t
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We need their current comments juxtaposed with their previous comments referring to Barack Obama as a tyrant for his executive order on DACA.

2/14/2019 4:15:26 PM

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^^^ It's almost like folks should have been listening to little-L libertarians screaming at the top of their lungs about the creep of executive power over the last 20 years.

2/14/2019 4:30:43 PM

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^ A million times this.

2/15/2019 9:22:08 AM

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This isn't creep, this is abuse.

Until we have a constitution that only has a legislative branch and judiciary, it's the duty of the congress to hold the president accountable for abuse.

The constitution isn't self-executing, it's meant to be a will of the people. The core problem is the people don't have the will anymore to strive for functioning government institutions.

It's not that previous presidents didn't know they could abuse many, many laws, they just didn't out of good faith and belief in democracy. The 2 solutions are an extremely stringent and onerous set of laws defining how government operations, or voters and legislators who can grit their teeth and act on principles of democracy.

2/15/2019 1:53:41 PM

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"It's not that previous presidents didn't know they could abuse many, many laws, they just didn't out of good faith and belief in democracy."


We still have active national emergencies for the purpose of sanctioning persons tied to conflicts in Sudan, Yemen, Somalia, and Iran. If you think defending our southern border is an abuse of power, then how do you justify the others?

2/15/2019 2:12:51 PM

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I don't think "defending the southern border" is their problem. They believe the southern border doesn't need defense, and this is nothing more than an ego trip for Trump.

And I tend to agree.

2/15/2019 2:25:33 PM

Dentaldamn
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“Defending an area of the southern border that is a massive desert with a huge pointless wall”

2/15/2019 3:19:13 PM

moron
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^^^
How is wasting billions of dollars on trump’s pet project “defending the southern border”? I didn’t realize there were real people who thinks trump’s plainly stupid idea could actually serve to impact immigration.

In the grand scheme of things the government wasting 8 billions of dollars to essentially do nothing isn’t the worst abuse of power, but it definitely is setting the precedent for presidents to just declare emergencies when they don’t get the funding they want.

Let alone the damage done to wherever he’s taking money from.

2/15/2019 8:36:31 PM

moron
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"Trump intends to draw $3.6 billion from military construction funds and $2.5 billion from a military drug interdiction program to help build 234 miles of new barriers along the border."


https://www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/trump-looks-to-raid-pentagon-budget-for-wall-money-using-emergency-powers/2019/02/15/cd0fcdb8-3149-11e9-ac6c-14eea99d5e24_story.html


Looll taking money from actual programs to stop drugs to fund a pointless wall

You’re seriously brain damaged if you think this is about “border security”.

2/15/2019 10:21:16 PM

GrumpyGOP
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"We still have active national emergencies for the purpose of sanctioning persons tied to conflicts in Sudan, Yemen, Somalia, and Iran. If you think defending our southern border is an abuse of power, then how do you justify the others?"


So all of the other "national emergencies" are problematic, of course, but what makes this one different is that it is explicitly being done to circumvent Congress. For all of their faults, the various other national emergencies had at least the tacit blessing of the legislature. This time, the House of Representatives has already firmly said, "No," and the emergency is being used to do an end-run around them. That's what makes it an abuse of power.

Of course, to take your question literally, I don't justify the others; it's clear that "national emergencies" have been used with reckless abandon for far too long, and I would love to see Congress establish some sane parameters for what qualifies. You know, if Putin decides the time is ripe and lands "little green men" all over Alaska or something, fine, let the President take the reins. But nothing has ever happened in Zimbabwe that qualifies as a national emergency for the United States.

2/15/2019 10:39:31 PM

aaronburro
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Interestingly, if any of the lawsuits actually make it past the standing determination phase, the only way this could get struck down would be for the Supreme Court to declare the statute giving the President this power to be unConstitutional. It's definitely an end-around Congress, but it's one they explicitly gave.

I guess they are now seeing why they never should have given that power up in the first place.

2/15/2019 11:27:00 PM

moron
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I learned that congress is supposed to be voting to reup these national emergencies every 6months and apparently in decades, they haven't done a single vote... wtf...

2/16/2019 12:35:26 AM

aaronburro
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I imagine Congress hasn't voted on them because it's pointless. Originally, Congress could reject an emergency declaration with a simple majority vote. It was challenged in the SC, who determined that Congress' rejection could be vetoed by the President.

With that, you see the problem. If Congress can't muster a 2/3rds vote to reject or end an emergency which the President supports, then there is little point to do so. I imagine that most of the active "emergencies" aren't being acted upon, so ending it is a waste of time.

2/16/2019 2:25:29 PM

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