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" Did the initial narrative describe the students as approaching the indigenous protesters?"

yes, and said they were chanting build a wall

1/21/2019 1:17:46 PM

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They didn't need to say "build the wall". They were wearing the fucking hats. And I have no reason to disbelieve Phillips, maybe the audio didn't catch it. Either way, they did do this, while laughing and jeering:

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"At one point, the students break into the kind of chant popular with crowds at Atlanta Braves and Florida State Seminoles games, while a few do a “tomahawk chop.’’"


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2019/01/20/covington-catholic-students-full-video-shows-viral-protest-new-light/2635085002/

So maybe the initial story was missing the prime instigator (the Black Israelites). It's still a showcase of Trump's racist followers.

[Edited on January 21, 2019 at 1:30 PM. Reason : .]

1/21/2019 1:29:38 PM

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"So maybe the initial story was missing the prime instigator (the Black Israelites).
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a big miss, and also included incorrect things like the build a wall change and students approaching the phillips

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"And I have no reason to disbelieve Phillips, maybe the audio didn't catch it. "

people with the indigenous people protest said they weren't chanting build a wall

1/21/2019 1:35:56 PM

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That's good to know. I was going to ask if the "build the wall" chant was initially reported by someone who was present at the confrontation or by someone who had only watched and listened to the original video.

1/21/2019 1:50:22 PM

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You’re missing the important part, which is that they mocked a Native American while wearing white supremacist hats and shirts.

More from Covington, lol. Looks like they’ve been at it for years.

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/aibjto/pictures_emerge_showing_covington_high_school/

1/21/2019 1:53:24 PM

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"And I have no reason to disbelieve Phillips"
Other than the fact that he completely lied in his initial statements.

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""There was that moment when I realized I've put myself between beast and prey," Phillips said. "These young men were beastly and these old black individuals was their prey, and I stood in between them and so they needed their pounds of flesh and they were looking at me for that.""
The video footage taken by the black nationalists shows no evidence the white teenagers had any intention of attacking. In fact, they took the heckling and

But this is important for everyone to see how liberals judge an event, and the post above is a great example of this. The important thing to them is that they are "morally right, even if the facts weren't".

1/21/2019 2:20:43 PM

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This first-hand account alleges that there was, at least, one "build the wall" chant:

https://www.thecut.com/2019/01/staring-down-the-the-maga-teens-at-indigenous-peoples-march.html

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"As more of the 'MAGA teens' flooded the plaza from behind us, our small group of remaining demonstrators moved forward, away from them. We were following Nathan Phillips, who played his drum with confidence and courage, and sang a sacred prayer for peace — to de-escalate the growing nervousness on the plaza...

From that point, things escalated quickly. We were surrounded by the boys, and we were alarmingly outnumbered. As we attempted to continue our path and move through the crowd, the boys closed in around us, until finally, one particular boy stood in front of Nathan and refused to let us pass.

Nathan stopped walking, but he kept singing and playing his drum — staring right into the smirking boy's eyes. We all huddled around him as the other boys began to push, prod, and bump us into a tighter and tighter cluster. They were mocking Nathan's sacred music with purposefully disrespectful dancing and a perverted imitation of his singing. Their imitations were the racist tropes of 'Indian chants' — the stereotypical grunting and 'hiyahiyahiyas' of representations past...

When we were surrounded by the sneering, jeering crowd, his voice was the one I latched onto. The boys alternated between their mock chanting and breaking out into familiar chants.

'Build the wall!'

'Gone in 2020!'

As tensions grew over the course of the encounter, I pulled out my phone, along with several others. Our videos became the documentation of this latest example of bigotry against indigenous lives..."


I'm not sure if this is the only extended video, but the one that I viewed can be found here:

https://youtu.be/t3EC1_gcr34?t=4330

It's difficult to determine whether this individual's account exactly matches what's discernible from the video, because the person holding the camera repeatedly turns the camera away from and back toward the students.

This individual's statement that "our small group of remaining demonstrators moved forward, away from them" seems somewhat contradictory in and of itself, regardless of what the video documents.

However, it appears that, aside from walking between the student and the Israelites, the indigenous protesters don't further approach the students. In fact, it's somewhat surprising, as the camera is turned away and back toward the students, how close the students and the indigenous protesters became and how quickly the indigenous protesters became encircled.

From this point in the video, it's difficult to ascertain what may have occurred in close proximity of the indigenous protesters, as the camera and the protesters had become separated by a significant number of other individuals.

1/21/2019 2:24:58 PM

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^^
Did he? Or did he understandably assume that the MAGA racists were the aggressors? Regardless, his intent was to diffuse the situation and for that he was subjected to racist chants and mocking behavior.

It’s weird how you’re so concerned with defending the honor of blatant white supremacists!

1/21/2019 2:31:37 PM

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regarding the wall chant:

https://twitter.com/lisasharper/status/1087207581758775296
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"At :12 in separate video, boys turn toward Nathan Phillips and yell over and over "Bring Jamal (or Amal)!!" (Sounds like "Build the wall!" Huh?) Suddenly, at :28 a black boy is thrust forward from crowd; proving they're not racist. #seewehaveanigger 26/"


https://twitter.com/lisasharper/status/1087174914673655809

1/21/2019 2:39:40 PM

Pupils DiL8t
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That comports with the video that I posted. Thanks for providing that clarification.

1/21/2019 2:47:30 PM

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"Or did he understandably assume that the MAGA racists were the aggressors?"
No, he was caught lying.

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"It’s weird how you’re so concerned with defending the honor of blatant white supremacists!"
Again, you feel you are morally correct, even though you are factually incorrect. I have no problem with spotlighting racism in any group. But to pretend these kids were out looking for a fight is factually inaccurate. Try making an honest argument, and people will begin to take you more seriously. Because right now, you are on the wrong side of this "controversy".

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"right-wing black people yelling at the right-wing white people "
Curious where you read that the black Hebrew Israelites are right wing. I've never heard of this group before, and nothing I've seen would lead me to assume they are right-wing.

[Edited on January 21, 2019 at 2:55 PM. Reason : 1]

1/21/2019 2:51:10 PM

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"Again, you feel you are morally correct, even though you are factually incorrect."


Actually I'm both morally and factually correct. Phillips interpreted the event a certain way and acted on that interpretation. You're assuming that he's lying because you sympathize with racists more than Native Americans.

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"I have no problem with spotlighting racism in any group. "


I guess I missed the post where you condemned the kids for mocking a Native American with the Atlanta Braves chant while wearing white supremacist clothing?

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"Curious where you read that the black Hebrew Israelites are right wing."


They are anti-queer black supremacists who associate with the Israeli government. As far as I know.

1/21/2019 3:14:33 PM

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They show up around New York occasionally. With everything on the political spectrum...it’s complicated.

https://www.villagevoice.com/2011/03/30/black-hebrew-israelites-new-yorks-most-obnoxious-prophets/

[Edited on January 21, 2019 at 3:32 PM. Reason : Right wing imo]

1/21/2019 3:28:59 PM

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"factually correct."

feelfacts

1/21/2019 3:31:39 PM

Pupils DiL8t
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I'm not sure that those on the right associate MAGA with white supremacy.

1/21/2019 3:50:47 PM

dtownral
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they also don't agree that the confederate flag is a hate symbol

1/21/2019 3:56:48 PM

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Yeah no point in mincing words, we should call it out because there are still lots of moderates who disagree with the association.

1/21/2019 4:14:39 PM

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"Curious where you read that the black Hebrew Israelites are right wing. I've never heard of this group before, and nothing I've seen would lead me to assume they are right-wing."


They hate gays and think women belong in the kitchen. The only difference between them and Mike Pence is that Mike Pence supports the police state.

1/21/2019 5:26:40 PM

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I’d assume they’d support a police state as long as they control it.

1/21/2019 6:18:25 PM

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This smells like more foreign adversaries creating a politically/culturally divisive story. What social media accounts made this go viral?

1/20/2019 8:55:47 PM"


Twitter suspends account that helped ignite controversy over viral encounter
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/21/tech/twitter-suspends-account-native-american-maga-teens/index.html


[Edited on January 21, 2019 at 8:59 PM. Reason : Yep]

1/21/2019 8:57:33 PM

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https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/dont-doubt-what-you-saw-with-your-own-eyes-1831931203#amp-xoX3vc13qqekKpgnxmkJkI7yphOTo2snHTGbbOBV1QYmisaF3xfW6Re-ztNDkIAm

1/21/2019 9:35:40 PM

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I’ve been following this story since it first broke on twitter and now it’s consumed all my social media... it’s nuts. Only going to get bigger once the work week starts. I predict trump will eventually comment on it

anyway, a new video surfaced just now of these kids calling women sluts as they walk by:
https://twitter.com/roflinds/status/1087486166939680768?s=21

1/21/2019 10:10:20 PM

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So now I'm a TWW white supremacist? WTF.

And how in God's name have I defended this guy? Does posting a link to the guy's explanation constitute defense? I mean, when I posted yesterday, it sounded like there was a different angle to the primary story out there.

1/21/2019 10:16:13 PM

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Who are you responding to...

1/21/2019 10:22:45 PM

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I lumped you in because while you may not be one, you typically take the side of white supremacists. HCH and burro are definitely worse

1/21/2019 11:24:38 PM

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I am so fucking glad I was away from social media for this shitstorm.

1/22/2019 7:25:56 AM

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https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/covington-catholic-student-nick-sandmann-at-center-of-viral-controversy-has-pr-firm-backup

1/22/2019 10:20:34 AM

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the dogpiling needs to be on the parents and chaperones

1/22/2019 10:28:35 AM

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"So now I'm a TWW white supremacist? WTF."
Come on, don't take this seriously. They know you or me about as well as they know the kid they are calling a white supremacist in this thread.

This is their argument when they no longer have an argument to make. If you don't agree with them, you are a racist, sexist white supremacist. Fortunately, every other rational person knows that's not true, so they are just making themselves look bad. Unfortunately, when there are real examples of racism or sexism, nobody takes these people seriously anymore. This is how we got Trump. Just let it go. Hopefully one day they will figure this out.

1/22/2019 12:47:20 PM

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"when there are real examples of racism or sexism, nobody takes these people seriously anymore"


seems to be the typical "moderate" response to defending their racism/sexism/etc.

1/22/2019 1:18:41 PM

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^^how profound!

1/22/2019 1:20:35 PM

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they = "the other"

1/22/2019 1:34:23 PM

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Dancing around a Native American while doing the Atlanta Braves chant and wearing clothes that signify building a wall to keep minorities out - not white supremacy according to HCH I guess!

1/22/2019 1:36:29 PM

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"when there are real examples of racism or sexism, nobody takes these people seriously anymore"

this was a real example of racism, it was just also a bad narrative pushed by fake twitter accounts to intentionally create a politically/culturally divisive issue

1/22/2019 1:40:27 PM

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"Unfortunately, when there are real examples of racism or sexism, nobody takes these people seriously anymore. This is how we got Trump."


So when people insult or condescend to you, it causes you to vote for a con artist?

Interesting. Also interesting where you place the blame.

1/22/2019 1:40:59 PM

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shithead racist kids (allegedly) get to meet the President because of all of this

the main one gets a sit down Today Show interview tomorrow

this country is so gross

1/22/2019 3:33:23 PM

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I can't verify the authenticity of this

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"NEW VIDEO: Covington Catholic MAGA kids shouted at girls, "IT'S NOT RAPE IF YOU ENJOY IT!""


https://www.facebook.com/OccupyDemocrats/videos/1989943091308389/

1/22/2019 3:34:43 PM

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"wearing clothes that signify building a wall "
Just so I am clear, just wearing a MAGA hat makes someone a white supremacist? I mean, I understand the feelings that red hat can stir in some people, and I have no problem putting the blame on Trump for inciting those feelings. But I don't think I would describe Kanye West as a white supremacist. Would you?

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"So when people insult or condescend to you, it causes you to vote for a con artist?"
Follow along. I did not vote for Trump.

1/22/2019 3:42:40 PM

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Weird how you keep ignoring the overtly racist part of what happened in order to defend these people.

1/22/2019 3:57:08 PM

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MAGA hats are a symbol of white supremacy, just like the confederate flag is

which is something else that Kanye has worn, although the argument could be made that he was trying to co-opt the flag/wear it ironically

he’s also mentally ill, so there’s no legitimate reason for you to bring him up

[Edited on January 22, 2019 at 4:00 PM. Reason : .]

1/22/2019 3:59:24 PM

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MAGA douche is going to be on the today show

Trump invited them to the whitehouse

1/22/2019 4:04:46 PM

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"Follow along. I did not vote for Trump."


Fair enough. Still quite interesting that you blame liberals for Trump and not, you know, the people that actually voted for him.

1/22/2019 4:37:14 PM

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I don't think Phillips took the best approach but you can see the smugness in the kid's smile and that smile says it all. if you've ever been a minority dealing with affluent white males, you've seen that look several times enough to know all that it embodies.

I'd also like to point out that just because one group, the Black Israelites, was mean to these kids does not mean they are justified in any words or actions directed to a third party. I can't understand why that is even up for debate. Realistically, it wouldn't justify racially suggestive language back toward the offending party, but at least then the argument of being provoked would carry some weight.

One of the best things I've read about this situation wasn't from an article, but rather from a comment in an article. It summed it up well for me.

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White privilege is the media falling over itself to apologize when it thinks it misread a situation. If these were African-American kids, we never would’ve seen alternate video or explanations.

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We would have gotten details of the weed they snuck with them on the trip.

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1/22/2019 4:46:40 PM

dtownral
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Really dumb edgeloard high school freshmen existed before Trump

1/22/2019 9:01:54 PM

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Who are the Black Israelites?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/religion/2019/01/22/who-are-black-israelites-center-viral-standoff-lincoln-memorial

Answer: Another idiotic group with idiotic beliefs

1/22/2019 9:05:09 PM

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https://twitter.com/todayshow/status/1087841570479632384?s=21

MAGA douche feels no remorse for his behavior

1/22/2019 11:27:37 PM

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he's just parroting the canned response he was told to provide. you can see "don't fuck this up" playing over and over again in his head.

1/23/2019 12:30:43 PM

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https://news.vice.com/en_us/article/d3mznx/what-we-know-about-the-alleged-plot-to-bomb-the-muslim-community-of-islamberg

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"On Tuesday, Greece police announced the arrests of Brian Colaneri, 20; Vincent Vetromile, 19; and Andrew Crysel, 18, as well as the arrest of the 16-year-old student whose name has not been made public. All four are facing weapons and conspiracy charges.

During the news conference, Phelan said that three of the four suspects had met through their participation in Boy Scouts of America. Two of them were Eagle Scouts."

1/23/2019 1:27:04 PM

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^^ yeah I see that. Definitely looks like his mom yelled at him just before this, and he's trying really hard not to say anything to upset her (citing mom because she also was the one that wrote the initial unhinged response blaming "black muslims").

1/23/2019 1:51:00 PM

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https://www.wral.com/white-supremacist-pleads-guilty-to-nyc-sword-killing/18142854/

1/23/2019 2:18:43 PM

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