but where is the evidence?!!

10/3/2017 10:57:44 AM

http://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-trump-russia-pardon-power-2017-10

10/3/2017 9:35:41 PM

https://amp.thedailybeast.com/russia-recruited-youtubers-to-bash-racist-btch-hillary-clinton-over-rap-beats

This actually made me chuckle..

10/9/2017 1:00:59 PM

lol

10/10/2017 1:25:38 PM

Carter Page gonna plead the fif

10/10/2017 10:19:59 PM

https://www.thedailybeast.com/russia-probe-now-investigating-cambridge-analytica-trumps-psychographic-data-gurus

Very nice to see some rocks getting kicked over at Cambridge analytica

10/11/2017 7:53:10 PM

^

10/11/2017 8:27:45 PM

i was really worried all the shit i posted to start this thread would end up being paranoid nonsense, but it's looking more and more credible

10/11/2017 9:19:27 PM

^a ton of links on carter page in that first post lol. When the news broke that he was gonna plead the fifth, I was like "wait, who is this dude again???" So yea, helpful for a review.

10/12/2017 6:40:00 AM

^^^^ I wasn't aware of this piece:

Quote :

"In May, the Guardian’s Sunday Observer reported that Cambridge Analytica and its UK affiliate... have worked in Russia, Lithuania, Latvia, Ukraine, Iran and Moldova. 'Multiple Cambridge Analytica sources have revealed other links to Russia, including trips to the country, meetings with executives from Russian state-owned companies, and references by SCL employees to working for Russian entities,' the Observer reported."

10/12/2017 11:53:30 AM

https://amp.businessinsider.com/facebook-russia-data-fake-accounts-2017-10

Quote :

"Facebook scrubbed potentially damning Russia data before researchers could analyze it further"

GUILTTTEEEEEEE

[Edited on October 12, 2017 at 10:17 PM. Reason : ^i hadn't seen that either]

10/12/2017 10:16:47 PM

https://meduza.io/en/feature/2017/10/15/an-ex-st-petersburg-troll-speaks-out?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=New%20Campaign&utm_term=%2ASituation%20Report

10/16/2017 10:39:28 AM

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meduza

FYI. Reading article now.



[Edited on October 16, 2017 at 7:56 PM. Reason : Interesting account.]

10/16/2017 7:47:11 PM

http://www.businessinsider.com/veselnitskaya-memo-trump-tower-russia-meeting-2017-10

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/16/politics/peter-w-smith-house-intelligence-committee/index.html

10/16/2017 11:49:30 PM

http://www.businessinsider.com/mueller-trump-russia-matt-tait-michael-flynn-investigation-2017-10

Quote :

"The interview was part of a broader effort by Mueller to examine the relationship between the longtime GOP operative, Peter Smith, and the former national security adviser Michael Flynn and whether Flynn played any role in seeking out the stolen emails during the election. Smith killed himself in May after talking to The Wall Street Journal about his experience."

I've lost track of all of the various prongs to this investigation. Was there anything more to Peter Smith's involvement in this potential scandal other than what's been referenced in this article?

10/17/2017 5:18:41 PM

I don't believe so - the reason it became such big news mostly was because of the suicide and the timing thereof.

10/17/2017 5:56:55 PM

Speaking of suicide. RIP Vince Foster.

10/17/2017 7:56:36 PM

http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/10/23/559463071/state-department-reportedly-revokes-visit-of-magnitsky-act-campaigner

Quote :

"The State Department has reportedly revoked a visa for British citizen Bill Browder, a hedge-fund manager-turned human-rights activist responsible for the Magnitsky Act. The 2012 U.S. law is aimed at punishing Russian officials believed responsible for the death in a Moscow prison of Sergei Magnitsky, who was allegedly beaten and denied medical care. The cancelling of Browder's visa came on the same day that the Kremlin issued yet another international arrest warrant for him via Interpol."

10/23/2017 11:37:50 AM

I really don't understand our relationship with Russia right now.

10/23/2017 11:55:36 AM

Essentially, we're trying to contain them but aren't doing a good job because we're relying on laws to do it as opposed to actions.

At the same time, Russia is trying to reverse a lot of damage done to their geopolitical position post 1991. They're making progress because they're relying on actions and ignoring laws.

The United States can't do shit because we expended all of our will and most of our treasury on the stupid Iraq '03 war and are also preoccupied with terrorism (a non-existential threat that has every one in America terrified for no reason) and China's economic and military expansion.

[Edited on October 23, 2017 at 12:41 PM. Reason : a]

10/23/2017 12:40:53 PM

Apparently even though he signed the bill Trump has yet to act on the sanctions and the deadline has passed.. Occam?

10/24/2017 9:30:23 AM

Seriously, what idiots would actually call for an independent investigation with no limits on the scope of investigation to investigate Trump colluding with Russia...after colluding with Russia?

10/24/2017 7:45:19 PM

^^he'll put it off as long as he can. he is simply in a delay game as it relates to Russia.

10/24/2017 8:49:07 PM

Yeah...maybe you haven't been watching the news lately.

Pretty sure there is an Administration scandal involving Russia


and it isn't Trump's.

Better look into that.

10/24/2017 9:52:47 PM

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2017/10/a_complete_timeline_of_the_obstruction_of_justice_case_against_donald_trump.html

10/24/2017 11:25:46 PM

If we ever wonder why the GOP sucks at governing and is only good at obstructionism and absurd committee investigations remember that this (^^) is their base.

Doesn’t give one single fuck about making the country better, treating people fairly or general well-being. Cares only about Liberal tears and Clinton stories. He isn’t unusual.

10/25/2017 8:16:52 AM

https://twitter.com/noahshachtman/status/923203128064925696

Nothing too damning in and of itself here but it shows yet more willingness to work to get more dirt on Clinton. No big deal unless you’re claiming currently that oppo is somehow dirty and/or illegal..

10/25/2017 12:01:18 PM

My only concern is working with a foreign adversary (or tool of one, such as Wikileaks).

10/25/2017 12:21:02 PM

http://thefederalist.com/2017/10/25/find-democrats-really-care-russian-interference/

Quote :

"If we found out that Donald Trump’s campaign and the Republican National Committee had paid a firm working for the Russians to create a file of fabricated attacks on Hillary Clinton during the election, would the media treat it as an impeachable offense?... According to The Washington Post’s reporting, much of this likely happened, but in reverse. The Post claims that Marc E. Elias, a lawyer representing the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Committee, had hired Fusion GPS, a DC firm that was working on behalf of Russians to undermine American sanctions, to do opposition work for them."

Where has it been reported that Fusion GPS was working on behalf of Russians to undermine American sanctions?

10/25/2017 1:14:04 PM

Also, where has it been reported in legit media that the documents compiled were fabricated (the Steele memos, that is)?

[Edited on October 25, 2017 at 1:29 PM. Reason : a]

10/25/2017 1:28:26 PM

At this point a ton of the dossier has been corroborated

10/25/2017 2:28:03 PM

Quote :

"Where has it been reported that Fusion GPS was working on behalf of Russians to undermine American sanctions? "

I only remember it coming up around Bill Browders testimony to the Senate (end of July):
http://www.businessinsider.com/fusion-gps-trump-russia-dossier-bill-browder-2017-7

Browder suggests he's been filing complaints against Fusion for violating FARA since December 2016.

10/25/2017 4:29:12 PM

Yep I recall that. I think the issue (initially) was that Fusion didn't register as an agent of a foreign power or something to that effect.

[Edited on October 25, 2017 at 4:30 PM. Reason : a]

10/25/2017 4:30:41 PM

http://news.wgbh.org/2017/10/25/local-news/juliette-kayyem-it-safe-say-thanksgiving-something-going-drop-muller

Plz dear Jesus be true

10/26/2017 1:39:22 PM

Quote :

"A law firm representing the Clinton campaign and the Democratic National Convention hired the intelligence firm that eventually hired the dossier’s author, Chris Steele, to investigate Trump’s alleged ties to Russia and possible coordination between the Trump campaign and the Kremlin."

Little details like this need to be reported correctly.

A GOP entity hired Fusion GPS (a corporate/private intelligence firm) to perform opposition research on Donald Trump.

Fusion GPS hired Orbis Business Intelligence Ltd (A corporate/private intelligence firm) specifically for information as it related to Russia and Eastern Europe.

The GOP entity then ended the contract and stopped paying them and a law firm representing Hillary Clinton's campaign as well as the DNC then picked up the contract and started paying them to continue the work that was already initiated.

The reasons I get bothered by this:
1) Hillary Clinton did not hire anyone
2) The campaign/DNC law firm did not initiate this
3) A GOP entity initiated this (simply pointing out that both sides were engaged with this)
4) Most importantly - The memos (I hate the word dossier for some reason) were compiled by an individual that was hired by Fusion GPS. I point THIS out because many on the right are arguing that Steele is full of shit and that Hillary hired him to make it all up. The people interacting with Fusion GPS had no clue they had sub-contracted out to Orbis (at least that's what I understand). So even if it ever came out that Steele was full of shit (it hasn't and won't because a lot of what he reported already has been proven true), the people who originally hired Fusion would never have known Steele was the guy doing the work to begin with.

Also, I think it's slightly important to note the below excerpt from the law firm's letter: http://cdn.cnn.com/cnn/2017/images/10/25/fusion.perkins.coie.pdf

(paraphrased) - "Fusion GPS approached [the law firm] in March of 2016 to discuss working together. In April 2016 [the law firm] hired Fusion GPS."

In other words, after the GOP stopped funding them they decided the Hillary campaign could possibly use the information and approached them to see if they'd be interested.

This is all quite a big difference from the standard right-leaning mantra at the moment of "Hillary hired Steele to make up a fake dossier about Donald Trump."

Anyway I'd honestly ignore these opinion pieces as they just further cloud everything that's going on and whip up hysteria on both sides. Remember, even if Mueller does drop a bombshell before Thanksgiving it is entirely possible that his bombshell is that Trump did nothing wrong, had no clue any wrongdoing was going on and that Tony Podesta is under arrest for working with Russian intelligence for something else.

That being said, I tend to agree with this sentiment:

Quote :

"Kayyem speculated that the pace of stories critical of Hillary Clinton represents “a recognition by the White House team” that Mueller is getting close to something substantive as a result of his investigation."

[Edited on October 26, 2017 at 2:20 PM. Reason : a]

10/26/2017 2:06:22 PM

the russians are sophisticated enough to avoid direct connections, it will come down to what everyone else did

10/26/2017 2:23:09 PM

I just hope this ends better than the UNC scandal

10/26/2017 3:02:00 PM

I'm just assuming it's going to drag-out and then end the same way.

10/26/2017 3:03:36 PM

Quote :

"honestly ignore these opinion pieces as they just further cloud everything that's going on and whip up hysteria "

Sorry man, I could really care less if people on TWW view me as not serious. I'm done trying to be even-handed. Objectivity is dead.

Fuck Trump, Putin, and the GOP for carrying water for both.

.......

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/10/27/us/politics/trump-tower-veselnitskaya-russia.html?referer=https://t.co/0Icp2BvUHT?amp=1

Quote :

"But interviews and records show that in the months before the meeting, Ms. Veselnitskaya had discussed the allegations with one of Russia’s most powerful officials, the prosecutor general, Yuri Y. Chaika. And the memo she brought with her closely followed a document that Mr. Chaika’s office had given to an American congressman two months earlier, incorporating some paragraphs verbatim."

Rohrbacher been spilling the beans???

10/27/2017 2:10:31 PM

This is mind-numbing to me:

http://thehill.com/homenews/media/357514-foxs-wallace-more-evidence-of-dem-collusion-with-russia-than-gop

Quote :

"The fact that Hillary Clinton, or at least her campaign and the DNC, was doing business with a foreign national, a British spy, to get information from the Russians for this dossier certainly blunts the idea, 'Well, it was the Trump campaign and it was outrageous the Trump campaign was having anything to do with the Russians to maybe affect at the election.'... This is far more evidence than we've ever seen involving President Trump and his campaign that the Democrats were directly involved in trying to get information from the Russians to affect the 2016 campaign... We still have to wait and see, but there is more evidence at this point of Democratic collusion with the Russians than there is of Republican collusion with the Russians."

Is the theory that the Kremlin was feeding Christopher Steele fake intelligence about Donald Trump colluding with the Kremlin?

[Edited on October 27, 2017 at 2:53 PM. Reason : ]

10/27/2017 2:50:09 PM

Quote :

"The fact that Hillary Clinton, or at least her campaign and the DNC, was doing business with a foreign national, a British spy, to get information from the Russians"

There it is again - "hillary hired a british spy to make fake shit about donald trump."

I just stare speechless at this point.

And they let this guy moderate presidential debates. I just cannot understand what is wrong with us.

[Edited on October 27, 2017 at 4:07 PM. Reason : a]

10/27/2017 4:04:58 PM

http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/27/politics/first-charges-mueller-investigation/index.html

10/27/2017 9:06:44 PM

So what are guesses on who was charged?

My guess: Manafort and Flynn, and if reporting is correct they'll be arrested Monday

10/28/2017 9:48:42 AM

Can someone explain the logic of not arresting them immediately?

10/28/2017 11:10:06 AM

the writers had to give us a cliffhanger since the next episode is not until monday

10/28/2017 11:20:07 AM

Could be BS. But would explain the rightwing hysteria about Clinton the past week.

[Edited on October 28, 2017 at 11:31 AM. Reason : OR could be a bit player no one]

10/28/2017 11:30:35 AM

^yep

^^^couple thing I can think of but depends on whether the individual/s being arrested were given notice as sometimes happens

if they have notice, it's likely an arrangement to turn themselves in via their lawyers

i wonder if announcing it this way is an attempt to see if anyone tries to flee over the weekend

could take the weekend to get an arrest warrant maybe?

actually aren't there a few cops on here? probably way better for them to answer this, or lawyers if we actually have any on here

[Edited on October 28, 2017 at 1:40 PM. Reason : a]

10/28/2017 1:38:04 PM

we're all lawyers

10/28/2017 4:01:18 PM

^^ The indictment was leaked, not announced.

If the indictment had actually stayed sealed, I would assume they need a few days to plan and coordinate the arrest in a way that minimizes risk to other parts of the investigation.

[Edited on October 28, 2017 at 4:04 PM. Reason : Blahhhhj]

10/28/2017 4:04:17 PM

makes sense

^^lol



[Edited on October 28, 2017 at 4:24 PM. Reason : a]

10/28/2017 4:24:01 PM