Not sure where this belongs but the articles in Cambridge Analytica are downright amazing and fascinating.

3/19/2018 10:34:38 AM

Can you post them?

Read today on Business Insider that Mueller sent his list of questions to Trump on Friday.

Also read that Cambridge guy said Lewandowski was meeting with them prior to the campaign.

3/19/2018 11:06:26 AM

Quote :

"Jeff Sessions made the decision to fire FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe because the IG report recommended that he be dismissed - McCabe wasn't completely truthful under oath, WH spokesman Hogan Gidley said on AF1."

Does this mean racist Keebler Elf is also dismissing himself for lacking candor under oath thrice?

[Edited on March 19, 2018 at 1:58 PM. Reason : It was posted in other thread. Guardian article.]

3/19/2018 1:58:01 PM

wrong tbread

[Edited on March 19, 2018 at 3:04 PM. Reason : X]

3/19/2018 3:03:54 PM

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/379152-trumps-campaign-data-firm-filmed-saying-they-use-bribes-and-sex-workers-to

Quote :

"The CEO of the British data firm Cambridge Analytica was filmed saying that his firm used bribes and sex workers to trap politicians in uncompromising situations, an undercover investigation by Channel 4 News in London found."

I really hope the coming investigations sink these asshats.

3/19/2018 3:50:24 PM

Apparently channel 4 has even more coming out tomorrow

3/19/2018 7:14:36 PM

CA is saying that it is very selectively edited. We’ve seen bums like O’Keefe do this and he was a low budget nothing (before his bid funding) so I would certainly hold off on making a final judgment..

3/19/2018 7:31:31 PM

Agree. These undercover sting things haven't impressed me to date.

3/19/2018 9:18:07 PM

The difference is Channel 4 is a news organization that has broken legit news before. O’keefe is a felon and known liar.

But we’ll see.

3/20/2018 7:07:19 AM

Fair point, haha.

3/20/2018 8:14:57 AM

this is not at all the same, o'keefe is not news

(Fox News got in trouble in the UK and O'keefe has even fewer ethics than them)

3/20/2018 9:20:52 AM

i haven't had time to fact this yet, but here are speculative connections between facebook and russia:
https://www.reddit.com/r/politics/comments/85p30j/deletefacebook_movement_gains_steam_after_50/dvz4y6o/

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"Russia is deeply embedded into Facebook. In 2009, Russian social-media mogul Yuri Milner invested $200 million into Facebook at a valuation of $10 billion dollars without voting rights or a seat on the board. To understand this investment, at the time the world was going through a global recession and Facebook's general valuation had dropped from the $15 billion from the year prior to $4-$6 billion in 2009. https://www.cnet.com/news/facebooks-valuation-the-cheat-sheet/ One company did offer a valuation of $8 billion, but with a seat on the board, which Zuckerberg was strongly against. In other words, Yuri Milner invested in Facebook when they were strapped for cash and at an inflated price without voting rights or a seat on the board. That's an amazing deal for Zuckerberg! Here's Yuri Milner and Mark Zuckerberg hanging out for an interview: https://techcrunch.com/2009/05/26/mark-zuckerberg-and-yuri-milner-talk-about-facebooks-new-investment-video/ The deal was coordinated by Alisher B. Usmanov, a Russian oligarch that earned his fortune managing steel mill subsidiaries for Gazprom. Usmanov spent six years in prison for fraud and embezzlement in the 80's. In 2008, Usmanov fired a publisher and editor at one of Russia's most respected news paper after it published detailed accounts of Russian election fraud. It is said, "His ties to the Kremlin and Facebook have stirred concerns that he might influence the company’s policies in subtle ways to appease governments in markets where Facebook is also an important tool of political dissent, such as Russia." This was in 2009. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/16/technology/a-russian-facebook-bet-pays-off-big.html Usmanov is close friends with Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alisher_Usmanov Ivanka Trump and Wendi Deng are good friends with Abramovich's then wife, Dasha Zhoukova. Here they are watching a tennis match. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3784716/Ivanka-Trump-Karlie-Kloss-Wendi-Deng-Murdoch-watch-Open.html The leak of the Paradise Papers revealed the money Yuri Milner used to invest into Facebook came from Gazprom, a US sanctioned Russian oil and gas company, at one point owning 9% of the company. http://www.wired.co.uk/article/what-is-the-paradise-papers-leak-facebook-yuri-milner-facebook-twitter-russia Soon after, Zuckerberg and Milner became friends, meeting monthly: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/zuckerberg-got-early-business-advice-194957335.html And even spoke together in November 2015 at the 2016 Breakthrough Prize Ceremony. http://www.wired.co.uk/article/what-is-the-paradise-papers-leak-facebook-yuri-milner-facebook-twitter-russia In May 2012, Milner attended Zuckerberg's wedding. In 2014, Milner moved to California home he paid 100% above value on. http://time.com/5011000/paradise-papers-tax-havens-leak/ For those who aren't familiar with Gazprom, Gazprom financed the spy ring that in 2013 tried to recruit Trump Advisor Carter Page before being broken up by the FBI. One of the spies trying to recruit Page said of Page, "He got hooked on Gazprom." http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/04/04/russian-spy-met-trump-adviser-carter-page-and-thought-he-was-an-idiot/ Around the time Yuri Milner was investing in Facebook, they lost their CFO Gideon Yu. Reason given: Facebook wanted a CFO with public company experience, suggesting they were thinking of an IPO at the time of Milner's investment (the reason given was deemed nonsensical). https://techcrunch.com/2009/03/31/confirmed-facebook-loses-cfo-gideon-yu/ Yuri Milner's DST was one of the big winners over Facebook's botched IPO. https://www.ft.com/content/281a8420-a46e-11e1-a701-00144feabdc0 When Facebook was confronted about the fake news epidemic on Facebook and it's influence on the election, he said it was "crazy." http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-zuckerberg-russians-20170929-story.html "

3/20/2018 9:41:13 AM

Quote :

"When Facebook put out a report in April 2017, it conspicuously left out any mention of Russia: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/10/report-facebook-cut-russia-references-from-report-on-disinformation/ US political ads were at times paid for by rubles: http://thehill.com/policy/technology/358102-franken-blasts-facebook-for-accepting-rubles-for-us-election-ads Facebook had "embeds" into the Trump campaign working with Brad Parscale, Trumps digital director. https://mashable.com/2017/10/10/facebook-responds-embeds-trump-campaign-60-minutes/#BrZIcKnffGqw Based on Kushner's quotes, these "embeds" may have worked closely with Cambridge Anayltica: “We found that Facebook and digital targeting were the most effective ways to reach the audiences. After the primary, we started ramping up because we knew that doing a national campaign is different than doing a primary campaign. That was when we formalized the system because we had to ramp up for digital fundraising. We brought in Cambridge Analytica. I called some of my friends from Silicon Valley who were some of the best digital marketers in the world. And I asked them how to scale this stuff." Here's a video explaining just that: @2:37 http://www.bbc.com/news/av/magazine-40852227/the-digital-guru-who-helped-donald-trump-to-the-presidency Theresa Wong from the Trump campaign says that people from Facebook, Google, and Youtube "...were helping us... They were basically our hands-on partners..." In the video above, Theresa Wong from the Trump campaign says, "Without Facebook, we wouldn't have won." (@4:21) For those who aren't familiar, Cambridge Analytica was communicating with Julian Assange about Hillary Clinton's and DNC's stolen emails. So was Don Jr. Michael Flynn, who pled guilty to lying to the FBI, also had an advisory role at Cambridge Analytica. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/aug/04/michael-flynn-cambridge-analytica-disclosure Zuckerberg admitted there was overlap between Russia ads and the Trump Campaign. http://www.techheadlines.us/facebook-says-it-found-an-insignificant-overlap-between-russia-ads-and-president-trumps-campaign/ Facebook recommended Russian propaganda to users: https://www.cnbc.com/2018/01/25/facebook-tells-senate-its-software-recommended-russian-propaganda.html Facebook helped Agata Burdonova, who was a manager at the IRA (Russian Troll Factory) that meddled in the US 2016 elections, and her husband, Dmitry Fyodorov, immigrate to Seattle Washington. Burdonova's husband has received a job offer from Facebook. https://www.buzzfeed.com/kevincollier/a-former-manager-at-the-russian-troll-factory-is-now-living https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/status/967559297516425217/photo/1 Yuri Milner made these investments into Facebook with the help of Jared Kushner's friend and old classmate Ryan Williams. Yuri Milner also invested in Cadre, a company co-founded by Ryan Williams, Jared Kushner, and his brother Josh Kushner. However, Jared Kushner conveniently failed to disclose his ownership of the company. Milner's investment is likely through Gazprom as well. http://www.newsweek.com/jared-kushner-ivanka-trump-white-house-forms-omissions-cadre-millions-679231 https://www.theverge.com/2016/11/10/13594558/mark-zuckerberg-election-fake-news-trump Guess who's friend's with both Mark Zuckerberg and Yuri Milner? Suspected Chinese agent and Vladimir Putin love interest Wendi Deng Murdoch. Wendi Deng introduced her then husband Rupert Murdoch to Mark Zuckerberg: https://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/jun/13/rupert-murdoch-divorce-wendi-deng Yuri Milner and Wendi Deng attended a Time 100 Gala together in New York, April 2016. http://www.zimbio.com/photos/Yuri+Milner/2016+Time+100+Gala+Time+Most+Influential+People/quud6cf3as- Here's Wendy Deng with Yuri Milner's wife and Karlie Kloss, who's dating Josh Kushner, Jared Kushner's brother. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/fashion/events/time-100-gala-best-dressed-celebrities/model-karlie-kloss-with-wife-of-russian-entrepreneur-yuri-milner/ Wendi Deng also hosted a dinner that included Jared Kushner, Josh Kushner, and Ryan Williams, amongst others. https://www.vogue.com/article/businesswoman-wendi-murdoch-career-profile Wendi Deng is know as a match-maker to her friends and actually helped reunite Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner after a break up, eventually leading to marriage. Wendi Deng may be the link between Yuri Milner with Zuckerberg, as well as with the Kushners, and Ryan Williams. Wendi Deng was spotted on Russian oligarch Roman Abramovich's yacht several times. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3514484/Wendi-Deng-takes-break-St-Barts-billionaire-friend-Roman-Abramovich-s-yacht-three-weeks-ex-husband-Rupert-Murdoch-tied-knot-Jerry-Hall.html Wendi Deng introduced Ivanka Trump to Dasha Zhoukova, then wife of Roman Abramovich. Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner met at a business lucheon led by Abramovich associate Lev Leviev. At the time, Lev Leviev was hosting the bris for the grandson of Tamir Sapir, who's daughter Zina Sapir married Lev Leviev's Africa-Israel US CEO Roten Rosen. Trump, just months priors, hosted Zina Sapir and Roten Rosem's wedding at Mar-a-Lago. http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2008/05/highprofile_bris_on_sunday_you.html The Sapir Organization, in conjunction with Bayrock and the Trump Organization, put together the scandal-ridden Trump SoHo and were working together to replicate that with a Trump Tower Moscow. https://therealdeal.com/2013/11/12/the-donald-sapir-execs-mull-bringing-trump-soho-to-moscow/ In 2000, Abramovich and Oleg Deripaska, along with others, made a deal that ended the "Aluminum wars" and turned the industry into a near monopoly. https://www.theguardian.com/business/2003/jul/06/russia.football Oleg Deripaska and Alisher Usmanov have been business ties together. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/analysis-and-features/whats-a-nice-russian-oligarch-like-you-doing-in-a-steelworks-like-this-65258.html"

3/20/2018 9:45:14 AM

Those headlines and descriptions are fascinating. Your first block more so than the second block.

But I can't for the life of me believe that Facebook is going to knowingly help Russia influence an election that would benefit Trump.

But there is one complete side of this story missing. We're reading about potential Trump data mining operations, but we have no idea who or what the Clinton campaign used. They could have had just as a sophisticated operation as the Obama campaign, but nobody is really digging there, I guess since she lost.

3/20/2018 10:37:44 AM

Also, Russia wasn't too keen on helping Hillary Clinton get elected.

3/20/2018 10:41:39 AM

the reason no one is digging into how clinton or obama used data is because there haven't been any claims (at least that I'm aware of) that a foreign government was involved

(and also, people did dig into it, it was pretty widely reported how obama built a sophisticated voter information team)

[Edited on March 20, 2018 at 11:23 AM. Reason : .]

3/20/2018 11:22:47 AM

The sad thing about all this is that the common folk - those who don't really follow politics and keep up with the news - are going to think that Cambridge Analytica "hacked" FB to get their data. They aren't going to realize that they freely gave away their permission and information for a stupid quiz app. They'll continue doing it, blissfully unaware of the billions that companies are making off of their free information, and the potential harm for which their information could be used.

3/20/2018 11:56:26 AM

^ uh that's not really how it happened...

3/20/2018 12:17:47 PM

that's kinda how it happened actually, at the time facebook allowed quizzes to harvest data not just from the user but also from friends of the user

Quote :

"Mr. Wylie found a solution at Cambridge University’s Psychometrics Centre. Researchers there had developed a technique to map personality traits based on what people had liked on Facebook. The researchers paid users small sums to take a personality quiz and download an app, which would scrape some private information from their profiles and those of their friends, activity that Facebook permitted at the time. The approach, the scientists said, could reveal more about a person than their parents or romantic partners knew — a claim that has been disputed. When the Psychometrics Centre declined to work with the firm, Mr. Wylie found someone who would: Dr. Kogan, who was then a psychology professor at the university and knew of the techniques. Dr. Kogan built his own app and in June 2014 began harvesting data for Cambridge Analytica. The business covered the costs — more than $800,000 — and allowed him to keep a copy for his own research, according to company emails and financial records."

Quote :

"He ultimately provided over 50 million raw profiles to the firm, Mr. Wylie said, a number confirmed by a company email and a former colleague. Of those, roughly 30 million — a number previously reported by The Intercept — contained enough information, including places of residence, that the company could match users to other records and build psychographic profiles. Only about 270,000 users — those who participated in the survey — had consented to having their data harvested."

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/17/us/politics/cambridge-analytica-trump-campaign.html

3/20/2018 12:25:28 PM

The friends' data part is pretty significant, since it amounted to like 50M people unknowingly sharing personal data. It's actually worse since so many unsuspecting people had their data compromised.

3/20/2018 12:39:51 PM

^^My apologies - the one thing I got wrong was the fact that only the quiz takers consented. But no one else.

3/20/2018 12:39:57 PM

In the end, it doesn't really matter how it happened- data was breached and it potentially influenced a presidential election.

I don't think there's much evidence to suggest that FB went out of its way to help facilitate this breach, but there seems to be plenty of evidence that FB knew what happened and did little to nothing about it.

On one hand, I wonder what they really could have done at the time, aside from disrupting service once they knew it was happening. On the other, when they're a company as wealthy and powerful as FB, they should have done something.

[Edited on March 20, 2018 at 12:45 PM. Reason : .]

3/20/2018 12:44:37 PM

What’s the reason a lot of journals seem to be downplaying CA in a rather confrontational way? Saying they are awful and Trump only paid them for Mercer money, etc. Looking at mainly the Vogel’s and Habermans (who seem to be more of the Trump-accessed journos).

3/20/2018 3:09:47 PM

Was that before or after the latest Channel 4 video was released?

http://www.businessinsider.com/cambridge-analytica-boasts-won-trump-election-facebook-data-2018-3

Quote :

"The bosses of Cambridge Analytica were secretly filmed boasting about how they claimed to use shadowy online propaganda tools to help Donald Trump win the US election in 2016..."

Quote :

"In one exchange, Nix told Channel 4 News's journalist that he had personally met Trump 'many times' and spelt out what it said the firm undertook for the then-Republican candidate. 'We did all the research, all the data, all the analytics, all the targeting, we ran all the digital campaign, the digital campaign, the television campaign and our data informed all the strategy,' he was filmed saying. In another conversation, CA's Chief Data Scientist Alexander Tayler argued how CA's work helped Trump emerge victorious. 'When you think about the fact that Donald Trump lost the popular vote by three million votes but won the Electoral College vote that's down to the data and the research,' he said..."

Quote :

"CA's bosses also explained how they used campaign groups outside of Trump's official Republican vehicle to seed attack ads, in revelations that may pique the interest of US authorities. CA said it used 'super PACs,' independent campaigning committees not constrained by spending rules, to target defeated Democrat candidate Hillary Clinton. 'So the campaign will use their finite resources for things like persuasion and mobilization and then they leave the 'air war' they call it, like the negative attack ads to other affiliated groups,' Tayler said."

[Edited on March 20, 2018 at 4:22 PM. Reason : ]

3/20/2018 4:20:08 PM

I havent been following this too closely because PORNSTARS!!! But what laws might have been broken? Or is the media just upset because a politician with an R was successful in doing this before a politician with a D?

3/20/2018 4:50:37 PM

The purpose of the special counsel's investigation is to determine what laws were broken.

I believe that the most significant aspect of any of this would be whether Cambridge Analytica's social media efforts intersected at all with the efforts of Russia's Internet Research Agency.

[Edited on March 20, 2018 at 5:13 PM. Reason : ]

3/20/2018 4:58:11 PM

https://www.channel4.com/news/exposed-undercover-secrets-of-donald-trump-data-firm-cambridge-analytica

I've seen all of them, but this latest is definitely worth watching.

3/20/2018 6:03:27 PM

Thank you for posting that. My favorite part so far is at 4:52:

Quote :

"He won by 40,000 votes across three swing states. The margins were tiny."

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/cambridge-analytica-ceo-alexander-nix-suspended-amid-hidden-camera-expose-n858406

CEO was suspended. I'm starting to buy the credibility of this reporting, haha.

http://www.businessinsider.com/cambridge-analytica-trump-russia-ties-2018-3

[Edited on March 20, 2018 at 6:58 PM. Reason : a]

3/20/2018 6:35:23 PM

At an absolute bare minimum, I hope this crushes Zuckerberg’s presidential aspirations. Fuck that guy.

3/20/2018 6:50:12 PM

Homebody should sell FB and enjoy the rest of his life on Kauai.

3/20/2018 7:56:53 PM

Quote :

"I believe that the most significant aspect of any of this would be whether Cambridge Analytica's social media efforts intersected at all with the efforts of Russia's Internet Research Agency"

so the only real concern you have about British and Canadian analysts influencing an American election is that the Russians might have been involved too?

3/20/2018 8:13:46 PM

you are really dumb, for real.

[Edited on March 20, 2018 at 8:22 PM. Reason : not premie ]

3/20/2018 8:19:09 PM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trumps-national-security-advisers-warned-him-not-to-congratulate-putin-he-did-it-anyway/2018/03/20/22738ebc-2c68-11e8-8ad6-fbc50284fce8_story.html?utm_term=.67f560f98776

3/20/2018 8:50:50 PM

^^^ I clearly said, "the most significant aspect," not, "the only significant aspect."

That being said, British and Canadian analysts influencing an American election with collaboration from Russian intelligence would be more significant than British and Canadian analysts influencing an American election without Russian collaboration. Do you disagree?

3/20/2018 10:53:24 PM

Worth watching all the 5 latest videos here:

https://www.youtube.com/user/Channel4News/videos

They all show mostly the same snippets from the sting videos, but with slight variations, so good to see them all.

I really liked the 3rd one: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mpbeOCKZFfQ

And by liked I mean utterly disgusted by it.

Imagine how many other countries they have messed up with their insidious workings. Actually, in that 3rd video they boast about working in Brazil, China, Africa, Eastern Europe, so basically all continents.

They are the worst of humans, worse than mass-killers and terrorists. Their evil machinations have brought forth hatred and violence which beats any mass-killings and terrorist attacks.

And Aleksandr Kogan needs to meet a moving bus, if indeed he sold/gave the data to CA.

Are any of these devils going to be indicted?

Big data analytics has opened the door to this, and democracy is dead now. This is a small taste of the future -- it will only get worse, much worse, in future elections throughout the world, at all levels.

P.S. Also in that third video, you can see Turnbull saying they don't do fake news or honey traps, because that crosses a line. But in the subsequent meeting, Nix shows up and says they do all that and more!

3/20/2018 11:15:09 PM

TSB is supposed to be a safe space, but I give it like 2 poasts before I see GIS results of “boxing sniffing” all up in this page

3/21/2018 12:13:26 AM

wat

3/21/2018 12:55:17 AM

Quote :

"Trump furious over leak of warning to not congratulate Putin"

Lol.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/21/politics/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-congratulations/index.html

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/21/us/politics/trump-mueller-russia.html

Quote :

"“I think he’s afraid of the president of Russia,” said Mr. Brennan, now retired from government service and a critic of Mr. Trump. Separately, on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” John O. Brennan, a former C.I.A. director, speculated that the Russians “may have something on him personally,” referring to Mr. Trump. Mr. Brennan was the C.I.A. director when a salacious dossier surfaced in 2016 that claimed the Russians had compromising information on Mr. Trump. There has been no proof that such material exists, but Mr. Trump’s affection for the Russian leader has raised questions about the nature of their relationship."

Yea, I'm close to 100% we have the intel.

[Edited on March 21, 2018 at 9:38 AM. Reason : a]

3/21/2018 9:22:38 AM

Quote :

"That being said, British and Canadian analysts influencing an American election with collaboration from Russian intelligence would be more significant than British and Canadian analysts influencing an American election without Russian collaboration. Do you disagree?"

there is no difference between those two scenarios. they both involve foreign governments meddling in our elections. The Russian hysteria on the board is laughable sometimes.

3/21/2018 2:33:35 PM

There is a massive, demonstrable difference. Two of those three countries are incredibly close allies of ours that share our interests. One of those three is an adversary that shares no interests with the United States nor the other two nations.

When allies "meddle" in our election they're trying to preserve democratic institutions, peace and advance society. When adversaries "meddle" in our election they're trying to elevate themselves at our expense.

Try thinking a little harder.

In any event, there IS a difference between the British government attempting to influence things and rich British people doing it. And that ultimately is what is at the root of the issue here, with CA and every other aspect of our elections (thanks to Republicans for working so hard to pass Citizens' United, among other things).

So the real problem is corporate interests affecting things, rather than governments. The caveat here, with Russia, is that they are one in the same - it's a kleptocratic mafia state. The Russian Mafia runs Russia and uses its state intelligence agencies to advance their interests.

[Edited on March 21, 2018 at 2:39 PM. Reason : a]

3/21/2018 2:36:35 PM

two of those countries burned down our capital a couple hundred years ago. The other was our ally during WW2 and shares common interests with us in regards to energy (natural gas exports, nuclear enegy) and managing relationships in Asia (Pakistan, Afghanistan, China, North Korea, etc.). The Cold war shouldn't be dictating our policies towards Russia, as the USSR collapsed a quarter century ago.

3/21/2018 2:55:16 PM

No, Obama Didn’t Employ the Same Strategies as Cambridge Analytica
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/03/21/no-obama-didnt-employ-the-same-strategies-as-cambridge-analytica/#.WrJK9WsY5bs.twitter

Why Was Cambridge Analytica so Interested in Tapping Into Our Fears?
https://washingtonmonthly.com/2018/03/21/why-was-cambridge-analytica-so-interested-in-tapping-into-our-fears/

gathered data from friends of people who took unrelated quizzes to build psychological profiles to play on fears vs. voluntarily solicited opinions

yeah... totally the same thing

3/21/2018 3:00:50 PM

^^You are out of your mind if you really think Russia in 2018 has a completely different political system than when it was the USSR.

[Edited on March 21, 2018 at 3:02 PM. Reason : .]

3/21/2018 3:02:27 PM

Quote :

"there is no difference between those two scenarios. they both involve foreign governments meddling in our elections."

What governments were involved in Cambridge Analytica's attempts to influence our election?

[Edited on March 21, 2018 at 3:37 PM. Reason : ]

3/21/2018 3:26:56 PM

Quote :

"two of those countries burned down our capital a couple hundred years ago. The other was our ally during WW2 and shares common interests with us in regards to energy (natural gas exports, nuclear enegy) and managing relationships in Asia (Pakistan, Afghanistan, China, North Korea, etc.). The Cold war shouldn't be dictating our policies towards Russia, as the USSR collapsed a quarter century ago."

Dude do you actually know anything about what you're talking about? You do realize WHY Russia was our "ally" (only after Germany attacked it, mind you) during WW2 right?

You do realize the war of 1812 was 206 years ago and the revolution was another 29 years prior to that?

We share no interests with Russia over energy. We share no interests with Russia in Asia.

I'm at the point of just laughing at your posts at this point.

3/21/2018 3:28:40 PM

usually a good strategy

3/21/2018 3:44:07 PM

My disconnect stems from not understanding the difference between american oligarchs influencing the election and russian oligarchs influencing the election. One is the backbone of our political system and the other is considered war. Anyone who isn't a firm believer of trickle down should see them as essentially the same.

3/21/2018 6:55:48 PM

Quote :

"two of those countries burned down our capital a couple hundred years ago. The other was our ally during WW2 and shares common interests with us in regards to energy (natural gas exports, nuclear enegy) and managing relationships in Asia (Pakistan, Afghanistan, China, North Korea, etc.). The Cold war shouldn't be dictating our policies towards Russia, as the USSR collapsed a quarter century ago."

Hi boys and girls, I wear blinders so I can only see the parts of history that corroborate my partisan point of view.

3/21/2018 7:09:59 PM

This made laugh

3/21/2018 7:28:43 PM

Quote :

"My disconnect stems from not understanding the difference between american oligarchs influencing the election and russian oligarchs influencing the election."

We need to work on both of these. There will be areas of campaign finance that will address both of these.

For now though, one is illegal and the other isn’t (even if neither is enforced very well).

Does anyone remember when Alito mouthed “not true” when Obama said foreign corporations were going to be funding campaigns?

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/jan/27/barack-obama/obama-says-supreme-court-ruling-allows-foreign-com/

[Edited on March 21, 2018 at 7:44 PM. Reason : Has that Alito thing already come up?]

3/21/2018 7:44:23 PM