Spain also is not please with the arbitrary confederation of sovereign nations.

7/13/2007 12:54:44 PM

The delegate of the Oceaniac Confederation respectfully corrects the Secretary General on his spelling. Also, his doubts are duly recognized, but both countries and their citizens recognized the benefits associated with creating such an alliance. This confederation of states was not arbitrary but was rather dependent on the results of national referendum.

This humble diplomat had already been recognized as the delegate for New Zealand, but no delegation from Australia had been sent to the TWWUN. Therefore, the new government decided that I, UberCool, would continue as the diplomat for the Confederation.

Furthermore, the Oceaniac Confederation resents that its sovereignty is being called into question when Greater Belgium is accepted without question.

[Edited on July 13, 2007 at 1:07 PM. Reason : addendum and clarification]

7/13/2007 12:57:49 PM

The Secretary General is no more pleased with Greater Belgium than it is with the OC.

It is, however, displeased with these states' interpretation a national delegate's vacancy as an invite to fold them into their personal sphere of representation.

Speaking both as Secretary General and as the Delegate from los Estados Unidos de Mexico, let me make it perfectly clear that in both capacities I will acknoledge the OC and Greater Belgium -- for now. If, at any time in the future, another individual claims the delegation from any of the previously unrepresented territories within your nation, their presence will be intepreted as a declaration of independence by that nation, to which I shall immediately extend diplomatic ties and recognition, to whatever extent I am able.

7/13/2007 1:11:18 PM

Quote :

"The following states have been nominated for a temporary seat on the TWWUN Security Council, according to their respective regional blocs: Western Europe and Others (two spots): The Vatican Spain Ireland Germany The Oceanic Confederation Latin America and the Carribean (two spots): Peru Eastern Europe (one spot) Greece Poland Asia (two spots): none Africa (three spots): none As of right now, only the Western and Eastern blocs will be subject to any election. Unless a new South American delegate joins before the end of voting on Monday, South America's spots will be filled by Peru and Colombia by default, pending deliberations to decide an alternative plan of action regarding unfilled seats."

The United States of America is absolutely shocked at the Secretary General's complete disregard for the nomination of The United States of America for a temporary position on the Security Council, which documented on the very first page of these proceedings.

7/13/2007 1:17:27 PM

The United States will note that upon taking the office of Secretary General, the Mexican Delegate made an official statement disregarding all previous nominations, since no system of nomination, voting, or election management had yet been put into place. As there is now a SG to oversee the procedings, they will begin again.

If you wish to nominate yourself, you are still well within the timeframe to do so. If having to do so again -- this time, officially -- is beneath you, well, I'm sure the many other countries in your bloc will be all the happier for want of competition.

7/13/2007 1:20:56 PM

don't feel bad, he disregarded everyone equally

[Edited on July 13, 2007 at 1:23 PM. Reason : ^and sweden would point out the new zealand is much closer to asia than europe]

7/13/2007 1:21:39 PM

^^ I do wish to renew my nomination, if that's not too much for you to handle.

7/13/2007 1:23:43 PM

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"and sweden would point out the new zealand is much closer to asia than europe"

Indeed it is. However, according to the Charter, "Western Europe and Others" includes Canada, Australia, and New Zealand. All things considered, this makes perfect sense, or else at any given time the Security Council might be dominated overwhelmingly by delegates from affluent former British colonies full of white people whose head of state is the Queen.

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"I do wish to renew my nomination, if that's not too much for you to handle."

Not at all. You're in the running with the "Western Europe and Others" block.

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Now the Secretary General must take lunch and run errands, as even Secretaries General must do.

[Edited on July 13, 2007 at 1:31 PM. Reason : ]

7/13/2007 1:29:06 PM

Quote :

"the Security Council might be dominated overwhelmingly by delegates from affluent former British colonies full of white people"

art imitates life?

[Edited on July 13, 2007 at 1:31 PM. Reason : .]

7/13/2007 1:30:55 PM

Can the SG please explain why Africa has three spots while the WE&Others have two? It seems a better fit to switch these representations.

7/13/2007 2:14:29 PM

Peru volunteers to fill the other spot on the Security Council for Latin America if no other country steps up to the plate.

7/13/2007 2:28:12 PM

^^b/c that's the way the UN SC actually is....

2 of the permanent seats are the UK and France, already in Europe... add in two more west European nations and a east and the total comes to 5 for Europe, 4 for Rasia (one being predominately Arab), 3 for Africa, and 2 for Latin America and the Caribbean...

a new proposal is to expand total SC membership to 24, adding 6 permanent seats and 5 more elected, or "creating eight new seats in a new class of members, who would serve for four years, subject to renewal, plus one non permanent seat, also for a total of 24."

honestly since we will not get enough participation on tww for every country to adequately be represented i suggest we go with the 24. that should include just about everyone, ok maybe almost half of everyone...

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Greater Belgium does not wish to impede on the rights of the citizens of the Netherlands or Luxembourg but rather is an acknowledgment of the practical unification already in place through cultural, geographical, and economic means.

Greater Belgium also wishes to open debate on the subject of the expansion of the security council and which nations would join the current 5 permanent members, as well as the state of the election of non-permanent members in the current form.

7/13/2007 2:40:14 PM

Thanks Joe

7/13/2007 3:19:31 PM

Quote :

"Can the SG please explain why Africa has three spots while the WE&Others have two? It seems a better fit to switch these representations."

Bear in mind that the SC, at least in the actual UN, already has three Western European and Other countries in permanent spots (the UK, US, and France). This gives them disproportionate sway. Asia and the Eastern bloc are also represented by permanent seats. Africa, meanwhile, is represented by none, and so is given more weight in the temporary spots.

However, the delegate from the Holy See brings up an excellent point. TWWUN's power distribution is different from that found in the United Nations. As its stands, the Permanent Security Council seats are filled by:

Djibouti
Israel
Lichtenstein
Russia
Canada

If we consider Israel part of the Asian bloc, then Asia, Africa, WE&O, and the Eastern bloc are all represented. Thus there is no particular need to give special consideration to Africa, but there is similarly no particular reason to give special consideration to anybody else, at least based on the power distribution among the permanent seats. Further adjustments may be necessary if insufficient African or Asian delegates are nominated.

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"Greater Belgium does not wish to impede on the rights of the citizens of the Netherlands or Luxembourg but rather is an acknowledgment of the practical unification already in place through cultural, geographical, and economic means."

Nobody is suggesting that Belgium is aggressive, oppressive, or power hungry. However, I shall maintain my stated position, which is that the delegate from Benelux may continue to represent multiple nations up until that moment in which another delegate appears from the Netherlands or Luxembourg.

However, since the overwhelming majority of the member states are located within the WE&O bloc, it seems that the best and fairest course of action is to allocate a third seat to them. Pending objection, this change in electoral policy shall be adopted, and the top three vote getters from Western Europe, etc. shall receive temporary spots.

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Also, the Secretary General has no inherent opposition to any change in the format of the Security Council that may be proposed as a resolution. If the delegate from Benelux wishes to make changes, the floor remains open for discussion and action in the form of a duly voted resolution.

[Edited on July 13, 2007 at 3:32 PM. Reason : ]

7/13/2007 3:29:54 PM

Canada votes

Western Block
Germany
Ireland

Latin America
Peru

Eastern
Poland

7/13/2007 3:47:12 PM

Peru makes a motion to represent Bolivia and Chile as well, since they are all Andean nations and were all once part of the Incan Empire.

As per Mr. GrumpyGOP's statement, this would be changed if either of these nations gets its own representative.

7/13/2007 4:09:42 PM

Israel is waiting for more nominees and "considerations."

7/13/2007 4:33:31 PM

Bolivia I can consider part of an Andean confederacy, but not Chile -- Chile does not get along with Peru and Bolivia, and vice versa.

But Peru and Bolivia you actually have some basis for bringing together, since (if memory serves) they tried union for a while and at the least have been consistent allies.

7/13/2007 4:36:46 PM

The Dominican Republic wishes to raise a concern in regards to the office of the Secretary General. I have no doubt GrumpyGOP will do everything within his power to proudly represent this great organization as leader and spokesman, with the utmost respect for his office.

However, the honorable Secretary General has stated that

Quote :

"Pending objection, this change in electoral policy shall be adopted, and the top three vote getters from Western Europe, etc. shall receive temporary spots."

Are we to assume that the SG may at any time propose a change in policy without the formality of creating a resolution and opening up discussion? To be clear, this objection is not issue-specific, as I have no complaint with your handling of the number of security council seats...indeed I find your reasoning fair and thoughtful. Rather, I fear the precedent such irresponsible disregard for protocol sets for the office of Secretary General.

The Dominican Republic asks that you create a resolution outlining the temporary security council format, to be decided by member state vote 48 hours therefrom.

Furthermore, The Dominican Republic requests a temporary seat on the security council

[Edited on July 13, 2007 at 5:45 PM. Reason : ]

7/13/2007 5:44:19 PM

According to his "powers and duties," outlined on the previous page, the Secretary General may

Quote :

"Preside over the election of and installation of temporary security council members."

I interpreted this to mean that the office of the Secretary General had some degree of control over the mechanics of voting procedure, especially since we have no preexisting standard for how to conduct elections for temporary SC seats.

If anyone feels my adjustment falls outside of the purview of this power, then the question of whether or not to redistribute the seats may be decided by a vote. I was merely trying to avoid the potentially aversive boredom that might be caused by forcing people to vote on voting.

7/13/2007 6:02:34 PM

Liberia formally requests one of Africa's three spots on the temp SC

7/13/2007 6:35:23 PM

Canada would like to introduce it's second resolution

TWWUN R-04 Composition of the Security Council

The Secuity Council will be made up of 5 Permanent Party Countries as well as 10 temporary appointments. The general guide lines of the temporary appointments will be

2 South American, Latin American and Caribbean Spots
2 Asian Spots
3 African Spots
2 Western Europe and Other spots
1 Eastern Europe Spot

These will act as general guidelines and can be changed due to lack of representation among the countries. A change requires that there are no eligible countries to fill the spot of a region.

The elections will be held at the start of Fall Semester, Spring Semester, and Summer Session I.


Seeing how this Resolution is important to the foundation of TWWUN, Canada recommends the SG extend this resolution to 72 hours and opens it amendments and discussion.

[Edited on July 13, 2007 at 7:00 PM. Reason : a]

7/13/2007 6:55:15 PM

Djibouti feels as one of the key organization figures of this body that the Secretary General position is one that is defined as an organization body primarily rather than a policy maker or executive figure. The concept when defined was to reduce chaos.

The delegation from Djibouti feels that it could be desirebale to use voted resolutions to either grant power to the SG or more specifically define the duties and abilities of this office since the initial definition may prove ambiguous.

That stated, the delegation has no problems with the actions of the current administration to date.

7/13/2007 7:55:43 PM

Liberia would like to formally support any coup that may arrise. Not only are they popular among our African brothers, but we have recently had our fair share as well.

7/13/2007 8:17:13 PM

Quote :

"Bolivia I can consider part of an Andean confederacy, but not Chile -- Chile does not get along with Peru and Bolivia, and vice versa."

'Tis true, we don't get along with Chile. But consider Peru and Bolivia as a single entity for this council now. We shall be called the Incan Empire.

7/13/2007 8:23:56 PM

Hook Japan up with a SC spot. We spend the second most on defense shit in the world.

7/13/2007 9:04:39 PM

The Secretary General stands to gain nothing from his rearrangement of the permanent seats, except insofar as reducing boredom and maintaining interest in the TWWUN by eliminating seemingly unnecessary red tape. However, since it is obvious that several member states object, the matter will be put to a vote.

It is my initial feeling that R04 as p ut forward by the Canadian delegate is unnecessary, as it is the default configuration for seats on the Security Council. That is, since we are at least roughly following the UN Charter and have not drafted an entire governing document for ourselves independent of that, it is unecessary to introduce resolutions bringing us into conformity with said charter.

However, Mexico suggests that a very slightly modified R04 (or, failing that, an R05), which alters the seating as I originally laid out above, with Africa having one spot and WE&O getting three, excepting in cases where one region has inadequate applicants.

The floor will be open for discussion on this matter until Sunday, at which point voting procedures will be initiated.

7/13/2007 10:09:35 PM

Djibouti would like to publicly condemn the attempts of several states to obtain "vassal" states as it unfairly represents those nations.

7/13/2007 10:15:53 PM

Shit Djibouti, nothing new. White man stealing my bread.

7/13/2007 10:24:25 PM

To the delegate from Djibouti: the Oceaniac Confederation is tired of explaining that Australia is not a "vassal state" of New Zealand. Please do not force this humble diplomat make the first obvious joke.

7/13/2007 10:47:05 PM

decorum delegates!

7/13/2007 11:30:46 PM

Could I be the delegate for/from Chile?

7/14/2007 2:02:02 AM

Sicily once again formally requests recognition by the United Nations as an independent and sovereign nation.

Sicily has finished its National Identity program and as such has disbanded the commission. Sicily is now creating another commission in order to explore ways for citizens from Italy and Sicily to travel uninhibited between the two nations.

7/14/2007 3:29:45 PM

Algeria would like to request a temporary seat on the Security Council. It would also like to express its concern towards lowering the amount of African nations represented, however it does understand that the continent is underrepresented. It would finally like to offer tariff-free oil to any country that endorses it for the SC seat.

7/14/2007 3:51:10 PM

On behalf of out of our Co-Princes Mssrs. Nicolas Sarkozy and Joan Enric Vives Sicília, the Principality of Andorra nominates France and itself for Temporary membership on the TWWUN Security Council.

7/14/2007 3:57:24 PM

The following states have been nominated for a temporary seat on the TWWUN Security Council, according to their respective regional blocs:

Western Europe and Others (two spots, pending vote):
The Vatican
Spain
Ireland
Germany
The Oceanic Confederation
The United States of America
Andorra

Latin America and the Carribean (two spots):
Peru
The Dominican Republic

Eastern Europe (one spot)
Greece
Poland

Asia (two spots):
Japan

Africa (three spots, pending vote):
Liberia
Algeria

If I missed any of you, I apologize, it was an oversight and not an effort to undermine you politically.

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I also wish to propose a working document which, if if it finds a second, the floor will recognize as TWWUN R04, a Resolution Regarding Electoral Procedure

Quote :

"The Temporary Seats of the TWWUN Security Council are organized according to the following blocs: Three from Western Europe and Others* Two from Asia Two from Africa Two from Latin America One from Eastern Europe Elections to fill these seats shall be held within a reasonable timeframe at the begginnings of Summer Session, Fall Semester, and Spring Semester, excepting the first round of elections (taking place in July of 2007), the results of which shall be in effect until the end of Fall Semester. The elections shall be open to all member states who have joined before the start of official voting. Any decision regarding electoral procedure not described herein, or in other resolutions passed by the body, shall be at the discretion of the Secretary General or such duly-confirmed deputy as he shall see fit to appoint, excepting in such cases where the decision: 1) Would unreasonably prevent, either directly or indirectly, the participation of member nations 2) Would fundamentally alter the distribution of power within the body 3) Represents a clear affront to the principles of the TWWUN 4) Is in conflict with any other stipulation of this resolution."

I feel this leaves the SG with sufficient -- but not unchecked -- power to handle the minutiae of elections while clearly delineating their basics.

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Lastly, the floor recognizes and welcomes stixman as the honorable delegate from the nation of Chile.

[Edited on July 14, 2007 at 6:13 PM. Reason : ]

7/14/2007 6:12:55 PM

Can the Republic of Djibouti get in on this shit?

[Edited on July 14, 2007 at 6:18 PM. Reason : Djibouti, since 1977, y'all...]

7/14/2007 6:14:52 PM

The Vatican City seconds the proposition of Resolution 4 and thanks the SG for his consideration of our proposal!

Have the Oceanic Conferderation and Sicily been formally recognized as countries?

7/14/2007 6:16:56 PM

^^Djibouti was claimed in the very first post of this thread.

Nice try, though.

^Having been seconded TWWUN R04 is therefore on the floor for debate and voting, which will conclude at roughly 6:30 on Sunday, July 16. This may necessitate extending the election for Security Council seats, as necessary.

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"Have the Oceanic Conferderation and Sicily been formally recognized as countries?"

New Zealand, at least, is formally recognized, and nobody has yet claimed Australia. So, until someone does so, it is not terribly relevant whether the delegate from New Zealand calls his nation the Oceaniac Confederation or claims to represent Australia as well. Sicily, however, is a touchier issue. Common sense seems to dictate that since Italy has permitted its independence, it is a nation of equal status which may be represented here. Arguments are still being heard.

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In a short while an announcement will be made regarding preliminary appointments to deputy positions under the Secretary General, as well as another proposed resolution to more clearly delineate the role of the Secretary General and his deputies.

7/14/2007 6:39:00 PM

(This may be a double post, for which I apologize, but I didn't want to put too much information in one post and it will take me so long to write this that someone could easily post beneath it before I was done, so...yeah)

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As per the powers and duties of the Secretary General set out on the previous page,

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"Secretary General may also install deputies who are permitted rights with the day to day affairs of the body but must be approved by the security council."

I, in fulfilling the duties of my office, have created two new offices, and pending an objection within the standard election period filled them, accordingly:

Director of Votes and Elections (DiVE): FykalJpn, with duties to include maintaining an accurate vote count during voting periods and declaring the outcome of votes and elections; also, advising the Secretary General and Security Council on electoral and voting policy.

Director of Membership (DiMe): Lionheart, with duties to include maintaining and updating a list of member states and their representatives; informing the General Assembly of changes to the list; and advising the Secretary General and Security Council on matters pertaining to elegibility of new applicant states or the legality of changes made by existing ones.

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If any are opposed to these offices or their nominated holders, a vote may be called upon to decide the matter.

[Edited on July 14, 2007 at 6:55 PM. Reason : ]

7/14/2007 6:54:52 PM

SourPatchin beseeches the floor to recognize the independence of Batman, a former province of Turkey. It is imperative that the oppressive cloak of night that is Turkey be lifted from Batman at once. The esteemed SourPatchin also requires admission into the UN as Batman's representative.

(Am I doing this right?)

7/14/2007 7:23:34 PM

Liberia would remind Miss SPK that chances of Batman being recognized are slim to none. Not even the glorious nation of Sealand could gain entrance.

7/14/2007 7:27:52 PM

Chile acknowledges the appointments of both the DiVE and DiMe and shows no objection to either appointment.

Chile, in agreement with Liberia, believes that the chances of Batman being recognized are slim, but admires SourPatchin's gumption.

7/14/2007 7:37:21 PM

The Vatican City would like to vocalize it's support to the two new offices and appointed representatives set forth by the SG.

We would also like to vote Yea to Resolution 4.

7/14/2007 7:39:11 PM

Iran would like to wipe Israel off the face of the earth.

all in favor...

7/14/2007 7:40:42 PM

2nd Try:

Robster requests to represent South Korea, and as such, formally requests that South Korea be granted the second of the two seats on the SC, representing ASIA.

Also, we 2nd the request made to put our long time nemesis Japan on the security council as well. Together, we will control North Korea.

7/14/2007 7:45:52 PM

In a predictable turn of events, SourPatchin was spied during a tryst with Batman's enemy and The Republic of Turkey's president, Mr. Freeze. While the women of Batman agree that Mr. Freeze is ironically "hot as fuck," they were unwilling to defend the aspiring representative of Batman.

SourPatchin is recovering from the country's brutal stoning in the Republic of The Gambia where she intends to renew her efforts in establishing fundamental human rights and accordingly recommit herself to sexual discretion.

7/14/2007 8:03:24 PM

The delegate from South Korea has been recognized, as has his nomination to the security council. If no other Asian delegates are nominated, you will inherit the spot by default.

The Secretary General feels that if he expressed outrage every time the Iranian delegation said or did something abominable, then he would probably have a stroke, which may be just what Iran is looking for.

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Now, for the very touchy matter of SG powers, I present the following working document, which would, if seconded, become TWWUN R05, A Resolution Regarding the Powers and Duties of the Secretary General

Quote :

" I) Elections for SG a) Votes to elect the Secretary General shall take place concurrently with elections for temporary seats on the Security Council. b) No member state or delegate shall simultaneously occupy an elected seat on the Security Council and the office of Secretary General. II) Duties of the Secretary General a) To compile and have ready essential information regarding the Organization of the United Nations, including but not limited to member lists, passed resolutions, and tallies on ongoing votes. b) To set the tone and direction of debate within the TWWUN c) To ensure consistent elections and votes free of fraud d) To ensure cooperation and organization within the TWWUN e) In case of inability to fulfill these duties, to delegate them and their relevant authorities to deputies, or to resign and call for a new election. II) Powers of the Secretary General a) The appointment or removal of deputies and their offices, to be accepted pending objection from the Security Council b) The creation of parliamentary bylaws necessary to the function of, but never contrary to the ideals of, the TWWUN, to be accepted pending objection c) The calling of nomination and voting periods in a timely fashion as proscribed by electoral guidelines "

[Edited on July 14, 2007 at 8:11 PM. Reason : ]

7/14/2007 8:11:08 PM

SourPatchin requests some attention from the Secretary General. She feels that she is hilarious but cannot be sure until someone with a penis acknowledges it.

7/14/2007 8:13:36 PM

The as-yet unrecognized delegate from the Republic of The Gambia asserts that the Secretary General is both sexist and racist, adding, this is some bullshit yo.

7/14/2007 8:46:40 PM