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UJustWait84
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"two different analogies about two different things in two different paragraphs"


you kept saying "a lot of people", so forgive me for not being able to keep up with you

6/21/2017 9:25:41 PM

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Breaking news from four years ago: People are now saying Pelosi should go.

More breaking news: Democrat Jon "Handel Beat My" Ossoff called for campaign finance reform during the most expensively futile congressional campaign defeat ever (emphasis on congressional, as another wonan beat his ossoff for most expensively futile campaign defeat ever, generally).

Q1: Did he want to lose by an even larger margin?

Q2: Would a larger defeat mean an even larger moral victory?

6/22/2017 12:25:24 AM

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Pelosi is very intelligent and experienced.

She not a particularly great communicator however. When she talks voters hear charlie brown teacher voice. Dems need people in senior positions that can cut through white noise.

6/22/2017 12:35:25 PM

kdogg(c)
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She's a bad communicator because she's slippin'

6/22/2017 7:17:18 PM

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"She not a particularly great communicator however. When she talks voters hear charlie brown teacher voice. Dems need people in senior positions that can cut through white noise."


Heard this from Republicans about George W. Bush.

6/22/2017 8:06:49 PM

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https://twitter.com/tedlieu/status/885673369743609856

This is pathetic and needs to be retracted and apologized for. You shouldn't engage in such mindless conspiracies as a private citizen and you CANNOT do it as a sitting US Senator.

[Edited on July 14, 2017 at 6:27 AM. Reason : Link]

7/14/2017 6:26:40 AM

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what is this even about?

7/14/2017 8:27:34 AM

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The guy who was the subject of a WSJ article about a GOP operative that said he tried to work with Russia to get Clinton's emails killed himself.

7/14/2017 8:31:48 AM

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Russia typically poisons you or pushes you out of a hotel window. I chalk this up to a suicide, especially considering he left shit for WSJ behind. You'd think a killer would have grabbed that shit.

Actually, there was an article (or series of articles?) that I think dtownral posted somewhere that went through all of the suspected assassinations in England due to Russian intelligence where like two or three were poisonings and the rest were literally "suicide by falling out of a hotel window."

7/14/2017 9:21:08 AM

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"A Better Deal?"

Why isn't it the "Best Deal, huh?" Think about it. Why aren't they enacting [insert your pie-in-the-sky preferred policy agenda here] RIGHT FUCKING NOW HUH? Gahhhhh, just typical Conservadems head faking us with their double speak.

7/24/2017 1:50:26 PM

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Annnnnnnnddddddddddd..................


They totally proved the above right. I expected the actual legislation to be incremental, not the "overall vision." They're really sticking their necks out on this one.

7/24/2017 3:04:51 PM

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^^
needless scarcasm aside, this is exactly what i'd like to see from Dems. but my skepticism isn't going away.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/24/opinion/chuck-schumer-employment-democrats.html

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"In the last two elections, Democrats, including in the Senate, failed to articulate a strong, bold economic program for the middle class and those working hard to get there. We also failed to communicate our values to show that we were on the side of working people, not the special interests. We will not repeat the same mistake. This is the start of a new vision for the party, one strongly supported by House and Senate Democrats."


[Edited on July 24, 2017 at 3:09 PM. Reason : .]

7/24/2017 3:07:31 PM

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Really? Is this not just more incrementalism? Is it the tone that people are liking?

Well I had planned to parade "A Better Deal" around and point out how progressive it is, rub your face in it the best I could, but I really don't think they stick their necks out at all on this.

The actual proposed points:

Infrastructure plan/spending - yea yea yea, we all agree we need this. Even 1/2 the GOP presidential field had some kind of infrastructure plan.

Lower cost of prescriptions - Dems literally had a chance to move bills like this out of congress earlier this year and failed, and it was mostly a handful of Dem's fault. Not to mention this is the definition of incrementalism when it comes to tackling our problems in healthcare.

Bust up Monopolies - Ok, this one is actually legitimately huge and I'll give significant credit to the Dems for this one. That being said I'm not sure this one plays well with the average voter, that may not make the connection that monopolies are helping fuel inequality.

Tax credits to employers for job training - this is about the biggest "meh" proposal they could ever produce.

Every single point in this either was a plank in Hillary's platform or was along the same lines as one. Hell Hillary used the exact words "A Better Deal" in several of her stump speeches.

7/25/2017 7:20:05 AM

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"Bust up Monopolies - Ok, this one is actually legitimately huge and I'll give significant credit to the Dems for this one. That being said I'm not sure this one plays well with the average voter, that may not make the connection that monopolies are helping fuel inequality."


This is pretty much straight off the Trump campaign talking points. Of course he is incompetent and would rather tweet about Amazon.

7/25/2017 8:06:32 AM

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^^ yes, tone is important

tone is important because 1) you have to win first and 2) if you have a message that people support and believe in you can move policy more and more towards those ideals as people believe in it more and more and extreme things become more normal. the right understands this, the left does not yet but maybe they are figuring it out.

7/25/2017 8:24:38 AM

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I would add that a drift away from identity politics is a refreshing change as well. That doesn't mean they can no longer be a voice and agent of change for those who need it most but it is a much-needed shift. It's almost hard to fathom it took losing to a crazy person to figure it out.

7/25/2017 8:41:53 AM

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Support your local DSA chapter if you're tired of waiting for Democrats to stop being the party of their corporate sponsors

http://www.dsausa.org/

7/25/2017 2:40:14 PM

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Right when the democratic party indicates a move away from focusing on identity politics first, the GOP via Trump makes sure they have to stay with a hot button identity politics issue

7/26/2017 10:38:40 AM

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They should (key word) be able to strongly rebuke it while not allowing it to overshadow other parts of the platform. Of course we've been down this road before..

7/26/2017 10:53:31 AM

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A simple statement saying that anyone wanting to serve their country should be able to is all this requires in the way of rebuttal.

7/26/2017 10:57:58 AM

HaLo
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^yep

Engaging this issue is a losing battle

7/26/2017 11:36:42 AM

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Feels like a Bannon/Coulter gamble that is going to blow up on them. Even Orren Hatch came out against this.

Dems don't seem to need to be on their own here.

7/26/2017 11:54:47 AM

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NOT CREDIBLE

7/27/2017 3:40:31 PM

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new favorite facebook page

https://www.facebook.com/cursedliberalimagesforkids

lmao

7/28/2017 3:23:35 PM

kdogg(c)
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^ when's she coming back?

Didn't POTUS tweet about something she can jump on to rile up her ID politics supporters?

7/28/2017 8:19:20 PM

kdogg(c)
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In case you were watching MSNBC, CNN, ABC, or CBS, you probably missed that the Democrat governor of West Virginia, Jim Justice, just left the Democrat Party, joined the Republican Party, and introduced President Trump at a rally in West Virginia.

-100 credibility

[in before the condescension of liberals on the attributes of West Virginians]

8/3/2017 7:47:04 PM

HaLo
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Big fucking deal

[Edited on August 3, 2017 at 10:45 PM. Reason : It didn't even make top billing on foxnews.com]

8/3/2017 10:42:54 PM

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Republican turned "Democrat" turned Republican. Only matters if manchin flips.

[Edited on August 3, 2017 at 10:52 PM. Reason : There's no liberal Democrats elected to major office in WV, just less crazy centrist Republicans.]

[Edited on August 3, 2017 at 10:52 PM. Reason : To g]

8/3/2017 10:50:18 PM

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ibt cosmopolitan bias

8/3/2017 10:52:17 PM

AndyMac
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I want my political party and journalists to give equal treatment to martinis and daiquiris

[Edited on August 3, 2017 at 11:28 PM. Reason : ]

8/3/2017 11:27:56 PM

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^^^ Manchin will never and can never be a Progressive (at least not if he wants to hold office) but he surprised me a bit on healthcare. Even delved some into single payer in the past few weeks.

8/4/2017 6:21:43 AM

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Take a look at the date. May 2015. The writer is an absolute genius to have predicted all of this that early. It reads as if it were written in the fall of 2016.

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"Spoiler alert: we have seen the Bernie Sanders show before, and we know exactly how it ends. Bernie has zero likelihood of winning the Democratic nomination for president over Hillary Clinton. Bernie will lose, Hillary will win. When Bernie folds his tent in the summer of 2016, the money, the hopes and prayers, the year of activist zeal that folks put behind Bernie Sanders' either vanishes into thin air, or directly benefits the Hillary Clinton campaign.

Don't believe us? Then believe Bernie himself interviewed by George Stephanopoulos on ABC News “This Week” May 3.

STEPHANOPOULOS: So if you lose in this nomination fight, will you support the Democratic nominee?
SANDERS: Yes. I have in the past.
STEPHANOPOULOS: Not going to run as an independent?
SANDERS: No, absolutely not. I've been very clear about that.
Bernie Sanders is this election's Democratic sheepdog. The sheepdog is a card the Democratic party plays every presidential primary season when there's no White House Democrat running for re-election. The sheepdog is a presidential candidate running ostensibly to the left of the establishment Democrat to whom the billionaires will award the nomination. Sheepdogs are herders, and the sheepdog candidate is charged with herding activists and voters back into the Democratic fold who might otherwise drift leftward and outside of the Democratic party, either staying home or trying to build something outside the two party box.

1984 and 88 the sheepdog candidate was Jesse Jackson. In 92 it was California governor Jerry Brown. In 2000 and 2004 the designated sheepdog was Al Sharpton, and in 2008 it was Dennis Kucinich. This year it's Vermont senator Bernie Sanders. The function of the sheepdog candidate is to give left activists and voters a reason, however illusory, to believe there's a place of influence for them inside the Democratic party, if and only if the eventual Democratic nominee can win in November.

Despite casting millions of voters for the likes of Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and other sheepdogs, those leftish Democrat voters are always disregarded when Democrats actually win. Bill Clinton gave us NAFTA, a vicious “welfare reform,” no peace dividend or push for DC statehood, lowered unemployment but mostly in part time and low-wage jobs, and mass incarceration of black and brown people. President Obama doubled down on bailouts of banksters and GM, and immunized them from prosecution but failed to address the most catastrophic fall in black household wealth in history. We got health care for some instead of Medicare for All, the Patriot Act renewed instead of repealed, a race to privatize public education, drone wars and still more mass incarceration of black and brown people. And if President Obama gets his way, we may soon have a global job-destroying wage-lowering NAFTA on steroids, with the TTP and TTIP.

The sheepdog's job is to divert the energy and enthusiasm of activists a year, a year and a half out from a November election away from building an alternative to the Democratic party, and into his doomed effort. When the sheepdog inevitably folds in the late spring or early summer before a November election, there's no time remaining to win ballot access for alternative parties or candidates, no time to raise money or organize any effective challenge to the two capitalist parties.

At that point, with all the alternatives foreclosed, the narrative shifts to the familiar “lesser of two evils.” Every sheepdog candidate surrenders the shreds of his credibility to the Democratic nominee in time for the November election. This is how the Bernie Sanders show ends, as the left-leaning warm-up act for Hillary Clinton.


Intent on avoiding the two-party “lesser evil” trap this year, about two hundred activists gathered in Chicago last weekend to consider the future of electoral organizing outside the Democratic and Republican parties. Many of the participants were Greens, including former presidential and vice presidential candidates Jill Stein and Rosa Clemente, the former Green mayor of Richmond California, and many others. There were also representatives from Seattle, where Socialist Alternative's Kshama Sawant won election to Seattle's city council, as well as Angela Walker, a black socialist who received 67,000 votes for Milwaukee County sheriff in 2014, and many others, including some who took part in the recent Chicago mayoral election.

There was trans-partisan interest in a 50-state ballot access drive to put the Green Party's Jill Stein on the presidential ballot for 2016 presidential race. Currently the law keeps Greens and others off the ballot in more than half the states. Precise details vary according to state law, but if a third party candidate after obtaining one-time ballot access receives about 2% of total votes, a new ballot line is created, granting ballot access to any potential candidate from school board to sheriff to US congress who wants to run as something other than a Republican or Democrat. That, many participants agreed, would be a significant puncture in the legal thicket that now protects Democrats against competition on the ballot from their left. But a nationwide trans-partisan ballot access campaign to create a national alternative to the two capitalist parties is something left activists must begin serious work a good 18 months before a November election, essentially right now.

Whether or not a national ballot access campaign is undertaken by Greens and others, a Bernie Sanders candidacy is an invitation to do again what's been done in 1984, 1988, 1992, 2000, 2004 and 2008. Bernie's candidacy is a blast toward the past, an invitation to herd and be herded like sheep back into the Democratic fold, to fundraise and canvass and recruit and mobilize for Bernie, as he warms up the crowd for Hillary. Bernie is a sheepdog.

The question is, are we sheep?"

Never again

8/6/2017 11:08:12 PM

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I wonder if the sheepdog KNOWS he is the sheepdog?

It's an organized chaos, designed to give liberal/progressives the belief they have a say in deciding who their candidate is going to be (ex: Superdelegates).

On the right, it was similar in 2012 with the Ron Paul movement, of which I supported.

How many right-leaning people in 2012 voted for someone other than $Rmoney?
How many left-leaving people in 2016 voted for someone other than Clinton?

The only real difference is The Trump Phenomenon. His twitter campaign and attack on the right and left had the establishment (politicians and the media) believing:

1) He wouldn't win the Republican Nomination (Krauthammer, Cristol, etc.), and/or
2) He wouldn't win the General (everybody)

So...did Trump, as crazy as he is sometimes, help beat back the establishment?

I think it's hard to say.

Imagine Clinton had won the General. I think her administration would be as mired in investigations as Trump's is.

The only difference would be the media would be doing just the opposite they are now: Instead of playing up the "crises," they would be playing down.

Regardless, Obama and the rest of the Democratic Party (DNC, DCCC, etc.) believed they would have a permanent majority for the foreseeable future and didn't invest at all into grooming, mentoring, and developing young Democrats to build the party.

So when Trump did the unthinkable and trounced Clinton (and excited people who were sick of Washington politics), with a similar result in both houses, the Democrats were left a leaderless, bi-coastal party with no real identity and no way forward.

And as horrible a job the Republicans in Congress have done since January, the Democrats are STILL lost in the woods.

The only question is which party will come around first?

My bet? The Republicans.

Trump is going to continue to micro-aggravate the liberals, progressives, socialists, and media on the left and keep them paralyzed.

8/7/2017 3:22:57 PM

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chaos is a ladder

8/7/2017 3:40:07 PM

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very credible

11/7/2017 8:06:16 PM

kdogg(c)
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True.

Democrats won two very blue states against Republican establishment candidates.

All is right with the world.

It's like 11/7/16 again!

Keep up that rhetoric in the media of a referendum against Trump.

It worked so well last year!

LOL

11/8/2017 11:19:46 PM

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I think you might want to brush up on the Mueller stuff that's going on in the background. It's definitely a bigger deal than you probably care to admit.

11/8/2017 11:33:41 PM

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Virginia Gubernatorial Election Results
82: D
86: D
90: D
94:
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02: D
06: D
10:
14: D
18: D "THIS PROVES EVERYTHING HAS CHANGED!"

11/8/2017 11:36:00 PM

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Does it get tiring making up arguments and debating them?

11/9/2017 6:25:58 AM

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The con man rolls on:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/08/more-layoffs-planned-at-carrier-plant-trump-promised-to-save.htm
“Trump came in there to the factory last December and blew smoke up our asses,” Brenda Darlene Battle, a longtime Carrier employee, told The New Yorker. “He wasn’t gonna save those jobs.”

11/9/2017 10:22:20 AM

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https://www.thedailybeast.com/steve-bannon-advised-mark-cuban-to-consider-running-in-2020-as-a-democrat

Looks like Cuban might run as a Democrat. D's could (and have) do worse.

11/10/2017 8:43:32 AM

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He needs to make up his mind. Last month he said he'd run as a republican.

11/10/2017 8:59:35 AM

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can someone explain this

https://www.facebook.com/stfnews/videos/1594092944001143/

is biden really a pedo or a closet pedo

uncomfortable watching him grab young girls like that, and that too in front of the world

is this known/has it been investigated/has it been talked about on tww?

11/12/2017 6:20:46 PM

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its been joked about on late night shows for years but theres nothing more to it that I know of than what goes on in these filmed sessions.

11/12/2017 6:28:13 PM

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^ how much of that did you watch?

11/12/2017 7:27:41 PM

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I skipped a lot because it seemed like the same thing over and over on a loop. It said it was 2 hours long. Was something wrong with my player?

[Edited on November 13, 2017 at 12:16 AM. Reason : k]

11/13/2017 12:16:05 AM

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no that was pretty much it. Only a few minutes of clips, but just being repeated while the guy yammered on about it.

11/13/2017 8:41:22 AM

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Someone embed

https://www.youtube.com/embed/CBUxNeXgC70

[Edited on November 13, 2017 at 7:01 PM. Reason : lol]

11/13/2017 7:01:43 PM

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https://beinglibertarian.com/democrat-tulsi-gabbard-will-likely-next-president/
hot take

11/13/2017 11:35:06 PM

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"Gabbard being over three decades the junior of Biden and Warren, while also almost 15 years younger than Booker, holds this advantage. The fact she is extremely attractive also doesn’t hurt."


Sounds like sexual harassment to me

11/14/2017 9:31:48 AM

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