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"Welp. Still no significant wins here"


Clemson was still a good win. In fact, theyve now had a better season than us (both 7-3 but their losses are #1 UGA, 8-2 Pitt and us)

11/14/2021 2:20:19 AM

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"I mean 2010 was the latest we were still in it, at a minimum. Last game of the season, win and in the champ game"


IIRC, in 2017 if we had beaten Clemson, we only had to win 1 of our last 3 games to clinch the division. We were in the driver's seat with a team loaded with NFL talent on both sides of the ball. That loss was probably the biggest missed opportunity in program history IMO.

11/14/2021 2:46:05 AM

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Yeah, and then we still had a shot on the last day and lost to a dude from Kernersville

Which is why Wake is definitely losing out and we're going to get destroyed by Sam Howell

11/14/2021 2:52:37 AM

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IIRC, in 2017 if we had beaten Clemson 2010, we only had to win 1 of our last 3 1 games to clinch the division. We were in the driver's seat with a team loaded with NFL talent on both sides of the ball.

I don't know why I want to argue about this

11/14/2021 11:01:29 AM

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Besides QB, that 2017 was insanely more talented than the 2010 squad. Granted, 2010 had 3 better qbs than 2017.

[Edited on November 14, 2021 at 12:10 PM. Reason : I want to argue about this because it's better than rehashing the wake game]

11/14/2021 12:09:34 PM

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Leary really needs to figure out a way to run just a little bit next season. I get why he doesnt do it, he's not physically built for it, but if our OL cant run block we need a way to manufacture a couple extra first downs a game. His arm talent is too good to waste on an offense that can only score 35 on Wake

11/14/2021 1:44:47 PM

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Time to move on. Maybe Dave takes another job.

11/26/2021 9:23:35 PM

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Lol

11/26/2021 9:52:20 PM

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It's not an overreaction. He's 8-4 in year 9 in a terrible ACC. The stars lined up for him this year and couldn't get it done.

Everyone knows we were outcoached tonight.

11/26/2021 10:21:41 PM

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Give him a contract extension! Great job, man!

11/26/2021 10:25:22 PM

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LICKEM BOOZIE, LICKEM GOOD

11/26/2021 10:40:19 PM

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FAR DORN

11/26/2021 10:40:23 PM

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Does this count as a signature win?

11/26/2021 10:42:13 PM

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11/26/2021 10:42:51 PM

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credit for playing for the TD as opposed to playing for the FG

aggressiveness pays off

11/26/2021 10:43:10 PM

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Boozie roddy and AB right now

11/26/2021 10:51:50 PM

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Lol

11/26/2021 11:04:38 PM

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"He's 8-4 in year 9 in a terrible ACC"


This post really held up

11/26/2021 11:09:10 PM

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Fucking guy had Iike 8 negative posts during the game and one positive post after

11/26/2021 11:11:58 PM

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" It's not an overreaction. He's 8-4 in year 9 in a terrible ACC. The stars lined up for him this year and couldn't get it done."


Yup. Just couldn’t get it done.

Undefeated at home on the season. Beat Clemson. Beat UNC. 6-2 in the conference. In the mix for division title (even if BC loses, that’s still something imo. Just being in the conversation to win the division/conference is rare as fuck at State).

13-5 in the ACC over the last 2 seasons. 25-17 in the ACC over the last 5 years (if my math is right) and even that includes a total dud of a season in 2019. He’s not perfect. LSU isn’t gonna come hire him away. But what he’s doing here is pretty much unprecedented for NC State in my life. Is that because DD is so good or a sign of how bad our program is historically? A little of both.

Every loss doesn’t have to be an scathing indictment of Doeren and grounds for termination. And every win doesn’t mean he needs to be extended. It’s easy to get caught up in the heat of the moment during a game. He’s a solid coach that is kinda boring and doesn’t excite a lot of people. But he wins games at a fairly impressive clip. It’d be really really awesome to win a few more games though.

[Edited on November 26, 2021 at 11:13 PM. Reason : “Terrible ACC”. There’s like 4 ranked teams. The ACc is fine. Just no CFP team ]

11/26/2021 11:12:21 PM

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Yeah we're pissed we won

^I mean we won an awesome game, but good God some of the coaching in this game was atrocious. The last minute of the first half sheesh, not running the ball, not having a LB spy on Howell.

Bam Knight once again not getting had 9 carries when he was dominant. It's very frustrating to watch.

11/26/2021 11:20:16 PM

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yeah acc was plenty fine this year. Miami is 6-5 with a pretty good team. Cheats 6-6 with a NFL QB (RB?)

And again, Clemson is ranked in the top 10 if we dont beat them

11/26/2021 11:20:41 PM

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^^ and it’s totally fine to point that stuff out. That’s what I meant by saying that every loss isn’t a reason to fire DD and every win isn’t proof he’s a HOFer. I agree that the playcalling was really head scratching at times. This was hardly a perfect game for the coaches or players. I’m just looking at the entire picture here and trying to figure out why anybody would reasonably suggest that we should fire Doeren and start all over again.

The shit about firing him feels ridiculous to me. And I’d be saying that even if we lost tonight. There’s room for nuance. You can criticize a coach and not want him fired. You can want to keep a coach and still criticize his decisions.

11/26/2021 11:53:10 PM

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The depth on this team was huge this year. Overcame injuries to at least 5 regular starters on D (Fagan, Savion Jackson, Clark, Moore, Wilson) and still had an overall really solid defense. Not every year will have that level of depth, and I’m sure it was partially due to the extra year of eligibility with Covid. But the depth and roster management from the staff has been really good imo. We aren’t an elite level team that can have 4* back ups. So having this level of depth was key.

11/27/2021 9:39:55 AM

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Two more out last night

11/27/2021 12:32:32 PM

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No clue the validity of it, but I see DD’s name mentioned with the VT job.

Probably his agent trying to get him a bump in salary, which he deserves.

11/29/2021 10:56:48 AM

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Mike Barber
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A list of names I've heard as being interested in the #Hokies job or being targeted by Virginia Tech
Marshall's Charlie Huff
Oregon OC Joe Moorhead
Clemson OC Tony Elliott
Notre Dame DC Marcus Freeman
Penn State DC Brent Pry
ECU's Mike Houston
Wildest one? NC State's Dave Doeren"

11/29/2021 11:03:03 AM

Dynasty2004
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Omg wouldnt that be something. akin to TOB flipping to state

11/29/2021 11:43:01 AM

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Lol at Doeren actually going to a worse job. This is his agent putting his name out there to get him a raise.

11/29/2021 11:48:01 AM

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"Probably his agent trying to get him a bump in salary, which he deserves."


LMFAO, no. Just no. He's already overpaid.

11/29/2021 4:12:37 PM

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Wait, so you think he's getting paid too much? I bet you also want us to win championships in football. You don't get those by cheaping out on coaches.

11/29/2021 4:45:24 PM

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^^ are you serious? His salary is like 7 or 8th in the ACC if I’m not mistaken. Do you think 7 teams/coaches have been better than him/State over the last, say, 5 years? He should be paid like a top 4-ish coach in the conference. That’s not remotely outlandish.

I think people that say he’s overpaid truly don’t understand the market value of coaches right now. Let’s just say Doeren leaves this off-season - purely hypothetical. And we have to go hire a new coach. It’s gonna cost us $3M to replace him at a minimum. And that’s for an unproven commodity. DD is a known commodity. He’s not Dabo or Saban or Kirby. But we know what we’re getting with him and that should be worth more to State than whatever his potential replacement would demand on the open market. I think DD’s salary is in the $3.5M range. Which sounds like a lot of money. But fucking Dino Babers gets paid that much. Mack Brown gets paid close to that. Has Doeren had better and more consistent results than Dino and Mack? Yes.

He doesn’t need a $6M contract. But in the $4M range is well deserved

The market is crazy. But you just can’t get a coach for $1M anymore. Sorry. You wanna play P5 football at a competitive level, this is the price

[Edited on November 29, 2021 at 5:16 PM. Reason : A]

11/29/2021 5:16:06 PM

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Gotta pay the troll toll

11/29/2021 5:24:49 PM

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Venables likely to OU, this is the time where we must pay our coaches to stay. We have a real chance to be really good next year and at least have another shot at a title. but if we lose Gibson or DD. We are fucked.

11/30/2021 9:01:23 AM

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He was grossly overpaid a few years ago. Has his salary changed? Or has the rest of the "industry" gone fully insane and "normal" pay is now embarrassingly too much?

(honest questions I don't pay close attention to anything but the games themselves)

11/30/2021 9:34:52 AM

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He’s never been “grossly overpaid” for his results. His pay has pretty much always been middle of the pack in the ACC. Coaching salaries are bonkers but that’s not necessarily unique to the last couple of years. More of a trend over the last decade.

11/30/2021 9:41:34 AM

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^^^got caught by the fake bleacher report account?

11/30/2021 9:45:00 AM

Dynasty2004
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I havent seen that one. But its being reported in multiple places.

11/30/2021 1:12:45 PM

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Weird that Venables would be out recruiting for Clemson TODAY if he's in the process of being hired at Oklahoma.

https://twitter.com/HaysHighAD/status/1465739277711650830

Not saying it isn't going to happen, but it definitely isn't being "widely reported" right now.

11/30/2021 1:38:53 PM

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^^ cite ‘em

11/30/2021 1:41:12 PM

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https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/oklahoma-coaching-search-mario-cristobal-josh-heupel-brent-venables-top-candidates-to-replace-lincoln-riley/

https://www.si.com/college/2021/11/29/brent-venables-rumors-oklahoma-job-coaching-search-aaron-colvin-tony-jefferson

https://247sports.com/LongFormArticle/Oklahoma-coaching-search-odds-Brent-Venables-favored-to-become-Sooners-choice-176695187/

https://twitter.com/MarinoNFL/status/1465477876707475468?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

11/30/2021 2:33:47 PM

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Oh shit a guy with 1200 Twitter followers said it was a done deal

11/30/2021 2:37:54 PM

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I mean ok. not sure why you are mad. just said I had seen it in multiple places.

11/30/2021 2:40:13 PM

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I mean the only one you posted that actually says he is likely to take the job is some random dude on Twitter with zero credibility. The others were: a list of likely candidates, some people saying they wanted him to be the next coach and some betting odds.

11/30/2021 2:46:45 PM

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Sorry. Didn't mean to upset your love of Brent Venables

11/30/2021 3:00:34 PM

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this is all karma for the baseball team

[Edited on November 30, 2021 at 3:10 PM. Reason : .]

11/30/2021 3:08:42 PM

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I've heard/seen people talk about it a ton like it was a done deal, obviously nothing official but it's a pretty widely held, if informal, belief

11/30/2021 3:15:37 PM

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KARMA!

11/30/2021 3:25:22 PM

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^^based off of a fake bleacher report account tweeting that

I'll believe it's a done deal when the odds go heavy negative or off the board

[Edited on November 30, 2021 at 3:32 PM. Reason : E]

11/30/2021 3:30:28 PM

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Good old Bleacher Repor

11/30/2021 4:22:08 PM

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