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Dynasty2004
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We are going to beat UNC Friday. I just know it.

11/21/2022 4:37:24 PM

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Lol ok guy

11/21/2022 4:42:25 PM

dmspack
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It would be cool if we did

11/21/2022 5:26:37 PM

JT3bucky
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Kansas coach stays put and gets an extension.

Dave is one of two finalists left for the Nebraska gig.

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He is also one loss away from being tied for the all time most losses in NCSU history as a head football coach.

11/23/2022 7:14:13 AM

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"He is also one loss away from being tied for the all time most losses in NCSU history as a head football coach.
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1) this stat is referring to ACC losses only

2) do you know who he’ll tie if he loses to UNC? Earle Edwards! Who is the best State football coach of all time.

3) he also has the 2nd most conference wins of all time

All of these stats are pretty meaningless.

11/23/2022 7:23:51 AM

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^

numbers don't lie

11/23/2022 7:52:35 AM

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Just so we’re cool with also acknowledging that he’s got the 2nd most conference wins in State history and 2nd most overall wins in State history.

All these stats are very flawed when comparing across eras since the schedule and conference is wildly different than it was 50 years ago. But since you brought up one side of the argument, it’s only fair to mention the other side.

11/23/2022 8:09:26 AM

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Probably easy to rack up the most wins/losses stats when you've coached at least four more seasons than the overwhelming majority of all your competitors.

The striking thing is how far you have to go back to hit a coach that had a winning conference record.

DD could conceivably do that if given a few more years... provided we field an actual offense during those years.

11/24/2022 11:07:34 PM

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It's almost like we're an incredibly average college football program and always have been!

11/25/2022 3:16:57 AM

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"Probably easy to rack up the most wins/losses stats when you've coached at least four more seasons than the overwhelming majority of all your competitors.
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Yes. I wasn’t bringing up his high win total as an argument that he’s great. Just as a counter to the “most losses ever!!” dumbass argument. (Also I don’t think those W/L numbers include this year for DD)

[Edited on November 25, 2022 at 6:24 AM. Reason : A]

11/25/2022 6:23:32 AM

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Dave's seat won't even be a little warm this year due to the loss of Leary. I think it warms up considerably next year if we don't win at least 9 games. It's clear that he has peaked. My biggest gripe is that he can't put together a complete team in all facets, as demonstrated by our strong defense but weak wide receivers this year. In the past we have had a strong running game, but a crappy secondary. It always presents itself in some form. Maybe it's a coordinator problem.
We are a fringe top 25 program, and can't seem to lure an elite coach here, but I'd be okay with firing Dave and trying someone else.

11/25/2022 12:56:31 PM

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He's going to leave and we're going to end up hiring like Koren Robinson

11/25/2022 1:29:52 PM

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It's clear that he has peaked."


Or maybe there’s just a ceiling to what can realistically be accomplished at NC State given fan and financial support (including NIL).

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"My biggest gripe is that he can't put together a complete team in all facets, as demonstrated by our strong defense but weak wide receivers this year. In the past we have had a strong running game, but a crappy secondary. It always presents itself in some form. "


What you’re describing is an issue at all but like 10 programs in America. Having no obvious weaknesses across every position means you’re probably a top 10 team in the country.


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"We are a fringe top 25 program, and can't seem to lure an elite coach here, but I'd be okay with firing Dave and trying someone else."


We will absolutely never lure an elite, proven coach here unless something drastically changes. Being a fringe top 25 program is good at State.

I’m not saying that we should never strive for better. But we don’t have a history of winning titles here. We don’t have a history of being nationally relevant. This isn’t the same as basketball where we can at least point to our (increasingly ancient) history. I’m not trying to be defeatist. And I’m not blindly supporting Doeren either. I just think a realistic assessment of what’s possible for State football is needed. Not winning a conference title in 40+ years is really shitty. There’s some bad coaching, bad personnel, and bad luck to be blamed there.

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"I think it warms up considerably next year if we don't win at least 9 games. "


I think a lot of that will depend on what the roster looks like. We will lose a lot. But have the chance to add a lot in the portal too. Some fans will want him fired if we go 10-2. I think whether or not he’s truly on the hot seat won’t come down to simply his record next year but other factors like fan support, how the team fills needs in the transfer portal, and how recruiting is trending.

11/25/2022 1:52:29 PM

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Rhule to Nebraska almost officially official, so you fuckers will have to hope somebody else hires Dave

11/25/2022 3:32:50 PM

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Doeren to the Panthers!

11/25/2022 3:34:32 PM

dmspack
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Seriously. After this start, go ahead and extend Doeren again before the Panthers come calling. Or before Nebraska changes their mind.

11/25/2022 3:46:22 PM

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taking the last timeout as opposed to spiking it on 1st down set them up for failure

it doesn’t have to be that tough, man

11/25/2022 5:11:21 PM

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Eh you spike it there and you might only get one play after. Now if he had called a timeout on defense after 3rd down there would have been a lot of time left.

11/25/2022 5:14:41 PM

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would always prefer to have a timeout in hand in case of a fumbled snap or sack

11/25/2022 5:20:19 PM

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True but if you spike it, there's a very real chance of there being only 5 or 6 seconds on the clock and then time running out on the ensuing play.

11/25/2022 5:22:24 PM

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I thought he handled that last drive of the half pretty well. No complaints.

I’m sure you could nitpick it. And definitely can complain about the previous possession’s 3rd down call. But I think the final drive was fine

11/25/2022 5:27:14 PM

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Fuck the haters man

11/25/2022 8:06:22 PM

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Can we stop with the Herb comparisons.

He beats UNC. He talks shit about UNC and then says “I don’t give a shit if it’s on record”. Dude seems to have a good finger on the pulse of the fan base and what we identify with/want our coach to represent. That doesn’t make him a HOF coach. But it makes the Herb comparison fall flat.

Thanks for coming to my Ted talk.

https://twitter.com/trayabc11/status/1596303277099917312?s=46&t=BHJksJIjqFo_3FKg10xX7g

11/25/2022 8:24:11 PM

thegoodlife3
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great win

blue collar v. elitists was fuckin’ lame, though

11/25/2022 8:59:50 PM

justinh524
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Shut up elitest

11/25/2022 9:06:13 PM

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Lame or not (it’s 100% not lame since we won) it’s super funny and cool that he said “I don’t give a shit” if it’s on record lol

11/25/2022 9:12:17 PM

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"NC State has the longest active streak of games played without allowing > 30 points at 14. UGA can tie that against GT this week (and I'd be shocked if they didn't).

Since 2010 only Clemson (4x) and Miami (2016-17) have longer streaks. Clemson had 19 straight from 2018-19."



From ESPN’s David Hale

11/25/2022 10:01:29 PM

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Matt Rhule to Nebraska sorry Dave

[Edited on November 26, 2022 at 10:32 AM. Reason : Matt I know a great OC!! ]

11/26/2022 10:32:09 AM

Dynasty2004
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Dave “9 Wins” Doeren

+10000

11/26/2022 11:06:53 AM

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+++ credibility after beating our rival in a dramatic win.

11/26/2022 11:13:32 PM

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"Most wins vs. bowl-eligible FBS opponents:
TCU, 8
UGA, 7
NC State, 6
Tulane, 6
K State, 6
Michigan, 6
Ohio State, 6
LSU, 6
Tenn, 6

Most wins vs 7+ win FBS:
Lou
NC State
Tulane
Clemson
Michigan
Ohio St
TCU
UGA
USC... all with 5"


From David Hale ESPN

11/28/2022 8:35:54 AM

Novicane
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interesting stat.

11/28/2022 9:32:06 AM

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"Most losses vs Boston College:
Lou
NC State
Maine"


From: me, a badass contrarian

11/28/2022 9:58:47 AM

dmspack
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Source?

11/28/2022 10:40:05 AM

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"It's almost like we're an incredibly average college football program and always have been!"

11/28/2022 10:43:00 AM

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Dave Hale
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"Teams w/4 diff starting QBs in a season, playoff era (h/t @ESPNStatsInfo):

'14 USU, 10-4
'20 Army, 9-3
'22 NC St, 8-4*
'21 S Car, 7-6
'16 NIU, 5-7
'20 FSU, 3-6
'22 NIU, 3-9
'14 Vandy, 3-9
'18 UTSA, 3-9
'15 Fresno, 3-9
'19 Ark, 2-10
'20 Tem, 1-6
'14 SMU, 1-11
'22 Colo, 1-11 "

12/1/2022 12:34:24 PM

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